For those doubting Bunting...

i know they AREN'T 9-win programs -- duh. but they SHOULD have the mentality that they can be. you saying that they should just know their role and be happy with the occassional cracking of the top 20? blech.

they should be 9 win programs. they should keep all of their top in-state recruits. UNC, GaTech (splits with uga, but that's a hell of a lot of players), maryland, clemson (same with usc), virginia -- if they just keep the top kids, they are where they need to be to get 9 wins a year, talent-wise.

fsu gets it's top recruits from out of state -- they steal a kid out of someone else's backyard. greg jones -- south carolina. darnell dockett -- maryland. aj nicholson -- north carolina. lorenzo booker -- usc/ucla. pk sam -- gatech.

subtract these kids from fsu and add them back into their homestate schools and it's a whole new ballgame.

my point is that these other acc schools should demand more of their football programs. they have the capability.

 

>>if they just keep the top kids, they are where they need to be to get 9 wins a year, talent-wise.

That's hard for me to imagine, that year in year out, North Carolina, or Maryland, is going to produce enough in state talent to win just by defending their turf. That's never been a winner. That's like kshead is saying, 7-8 wins and a whole lot of parity.

You said it yourself. FSU poaches. Guess what. Oklahoma poaches. So Cal poaches. Miami poaches. Tennessee has to poach. Its the only thing that seperates them from Kentucky.

Got to be able to recruit nationally to have that kind of success. It's tougher now. With the money now, more teams are on the road. Competitions higher. And it hasn't just gotten easier with Miami and Va Tech coming in. Beamer will be zeroing in on North Carolina recriuts like gangbusters. Nothing like stealing from a conference team.

 

So did you decide on your part of the bet or did you back out?


Oh and btw, your condescending attitude doesn't work for you, you're not as bright as you think you are.

 

I think it would take a little more than just keeping our own instate recruits.

I was thinking about what you said, so I wonder how the number of high school football players compare to the number of college football programs in each state.

I just wonder if the proportions would be about the same or what.

 

Those schools don't pay as well as y'all do. Clemson used to, but they had to stop.

 

NC ranks pretty high in top prospects produced (I think like 6th or so), so we have plenty to keep 2-3 programs going strong. I totally agree with Larry that UNC and State should be perennial top 20 programs.

 

Year in and out? I would be extremely suprised by that.

 

What on earth makes you think those kids you mention WANT to play for Maryland instead of FSU? That's like saying I should have stayed instate and gone to WVU for my engineering degree even though Va Tech has a MUCH better Chem E program. You go where it is best for you unless there is some overwhelming circumstance that compels you to otherwise do so.

ESPN exposure and scholarship limits have combined to change (i.e. level) the playing field slightly, but it still boils down to a kid recognizing where his interests are best served. Hint: It's probably not UNC or Maryland if you are going to be a possible NFL player. The rich get richer in college football unless the coach at the rich school is a complete dolt, the team is on probation, or the coach is headed to retirement (see JoePa, Cooper at OSU, even Bobby).

The schools can demand all they want from their programs. It's not going to make an 18 year old blue chipper choose MD or UNC over FSU simply because the program wants or begs them to come there. (The exception here, of course, would be the SEC where boosters run wild, but at serious risk to the program. It's not just the SEC either.) They are NEVER - ok, make that rarely.....See Kevin Jones at Va Tech - going to get the top kids regularly.

 

It was for the last few years I believe - obviously there would be some fluctuation, but overall we were very high. I was suprised too. I'm trying to find it but can't so far.

 

before bowden came along to fsu, they weren't getting anyone they wanted. it took a great hop out of the gate to impress upon these kids that bobby and his staff knew what the hell they were doing.

fsu's staff knew they were going to be challenging for championships. they knew what they were doing. they could recruit great kids. they could help them grow as athletes and as people. they sold them on the big picture.

kids want to win. if you can show a kid you can win, you've got a lot going for you in the recruiting battle.

what you are talking about is where these schools are at right now. i'm saying that they should expect 9 wins a season.

absolutely, unc should have nine wins a year. it all starts with coaching. the coach needs to be a proven winner or a hell of a salesman to get the recruits. if you don't get the top-notch blue-chippers, then you'd better be a hell of a coach to make what you have work.

if you can be all three, then you are destined for greatness.