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Discussion in 'Religion & Spirituality Forum' started by builder, May 8, 2005.

  1. vpkozel

    vpkozel Professional Calvinballer

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    I think that if a person asks forgiveness then that sin is forgiven. Whether that sin is using God's name in vain, judging people, or taking it up the pooper from another man.
     
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    I think this passage spells out the process pretty well.
     
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    I missed the part where it split out some sins from others.
     
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    It was never my intention to split them out. You are supposed to try and abstain from all sin. Regularly partaking in any sin is the same as being gay. Habitual liars, adulterers, theives etc. all will be convicted if they become christians.
     
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    How about people who judge the actions of others and then want to tell them the way that they should behave or that certain actions will condemn them to Hell?
     
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    The bible should be the measuring stick when judging any actions. In a way telling others that the behavior they engage in is sinful is a service to them. If you do not know than something is a sin then how can you ask forgiveness for it?
     
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    You didn't answer the question.

    Not judgin others is the whole theme of Jesus' teachings. The people are taking it upon themselves to decide what sins and actions will condemn someone to Hell.

    That ain't their job.
     
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    Whether or not you accept or reject Christ determines whether or not you go to hell. No specific sin does that but all sin condmens you unless you are forgiven by Christ. If they are teaching doctrine that runs against the gospel message then they are likely not christians either. I would bet that if you listened closely to them you would find that the message is more subtle than "if you are gay you are going to hell". It would be more like "if you are gay you need to ask Jesus to forgive you and turn away from that lifestyle or you will go to hell". Repentance is a necessary portion of salvation. Simplying asking his forgiveness with no repentance in your heart does not accomplish salvation.

    With all that being said, anyone who teaches or preaches that salvation is accomplished through good works or through abstaining from sin is spreading false doctrine.
     
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    Well, given the fact that these Einsteins were comparing the homos to pedophiles, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that intellegent conclusions aren't their strongpoints.
     
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    Once again I do not seek to defend those people. I am simply stating the reasons why I think it is highly unlikely that anyone can be a christian and continue in sin with no conviciton or guilt. Some will say that you can be a christian and be right with God while being an open and proud homosexual. I disagree with that and I have been trying to explain why. I think the people mentioned at the start of this article are at the very least misguided. Nowhere in the bible does it say christians should go out and berate the sinners.
     

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