Everette Brown

It does take a dance partner to trade, and evidently it took more to get their guy. Hard to say we could have done it 2-3 picks later, because Brown might have been gone at that point.

 

Lots of Daves? Who you talking about?

 

You also have to be willing to give up a bunch of picks to get one guy. We wanted to keep a fair stable of rookies here - instead of trading away half the draft for one guy and leaving us with four draft picks.

To support that, had we traded down from 59 for a 2 and 4, I'm pretty sure people would've applauded it. Had we had the 29 pick, and traded down to 43 for a 4 to add, it wouldn't have been good value but plenty of people would still applaud the ability to add players. I'm actually fairly certain we would've been more than willing to trade down from 59, 93, and so on and just didn't find partners.

 

I'll try to address some of these as best I can.

1) Yes, we gave up a first next year for a second this year (and a forth). That has been the standard currency for doing such since the Cowboys "invented" the value chart. Note: on the Otah trade we gave up a 1 and a 2. It wasnt a straight trade of a one this year for a one next year. Maybe, Possibly, they could have found someone to trade with for a 2 and 3 or maybe even a 4. But that is assuming they wanted to do that. They obviously wanted to keep the #2 pick and bring in an extra player, Brown, someone they graded as a first round talent.

2) Most all scouts seemed to have Brown rated as a 1st rounder. So why did he fall? The truth is, in every draft someone falls out of the first round for some reason that people didnt expect, it happens every year. It doesnt necessarily mean he is not a good player and no longer worthy. Maybe needs came before value. Maybe it was the history of past top 10 FSU DE's like Reynolds and Wadsworth that flopped in the NFL. Maybe it was as simple as size, Brown being 6'1-2" instead of the media listed 6'4".

3) Yes it was, but was the value there for DT. Is Corvey Irvin so much worse than the others selected before him and after our selection.
NE already nabbed Brace well before, Miller was available but he went in the 3rd too.

4 DE's went from when we traded up for Brown and before we selected Martin. Highly doubtfull he would have lasted all that way, especially looking at the teams we jumped over to get him.

4) It may not have been about finding Peppers' replacement. We need more pass rush help bad. We got the best pass rushing end in the draft.

Only time will truly tell if we made the right decision. If Brown busts, yes, that pick will come back to haunt them. But i see alot in this pick that was in the Beason pick 2 years ago. Im very excited about this pick indeed.

If your looking for value picks in comparison to Smitty, Goodwin and Captain are your guys. Both considered late rounders but both can be very explosive and Smitty like. Hopefully, Robinson ends up being the real steal.

My glasses are probably a little rosy, but after the lackluster offseason (mind you i never thought wed keep Gross Gamble and Peppers) im really pumped about next year already. Ive got a great feeling about this draft class.

 

We didn't give up anything to get Beason, we gained a Kalil in fact.

 

Im talking about the player himself not the draft value.

 

I formed my opinion before checking out the talking heads.

No, not in the sense we would have our first round selection in 2011. I still would prefer at DT that "#24" pick in 2010.

Value trumped common sense, that's the problem!

Let's say Orakpo was the Panthers' top rated DE and knew he'd be gone by pick 6 and he was there by 9, that's value on their board. If they coveted a DE that badly, shouldn't they, for VALUE, jumped on that? Giving up a first next year and a second this year, that would justify the leap up. I still wouldn't like it, but it would make more sense than losing a first for a second round selection just because his "value" may have been a first round grade.

The fact Brown's a second round selection makes the loss of next's year's first round guy frustrating to me. The bar is set high in my eyes, I'm expecting him to play like a franchise end since you guys on the value side of the arguement insist he's a first round guy. He'd better be Peppers equal if not better. If he's not and Peppers' leaves, we're going to have the same probelm at DE as we do now at DT--servicable guys, but nothing the opposing OC is going to lose sleep over the night before the game.

 

So, for that to be equitable, it would be both as easy to trade up to 9 and Brown would've had to be rated #40 on their draft board.

So you could see where I completely agree with the above, equitable, factual parallel to what we actually did.

And I don't see why getting a 2 this year for a future 1 is abhorrent compared to giving up a future 1 and a current 2 to get a current 1. To me, we got better value now.

 

I only had one problem with this.
Continentally we can't see eye to eye on that 'forth' thing.

 

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