Euro 2008

Que? I was under the impression that the rules require a card for a take down from behind with no attempt on the ball, just leaving it to the discretion of the referee as to whether a red or yellow. I know I've never seen someone taken down like that didn't draw a card.

 

I know there has been an emphasis from FIFA that takedown's from behind be carded. I think the first time I heard this was the World Cup here in '94. I don't recall seeing a takedown that didn't result in the defender being carded.

 

It will always depend on the intent and level of violence. Just because it's from behind and he doesn't get the ball doesn't make it either card - unless it's during a breakaway to prevent a goal, then it's a straight red.

 

Tackling from behind is considered extreme, and not making a play on the ball is intent. I definitely remember hearing that such tackles always get a card, but I didn't get it from a rule book. In any case, the fact is that they do always get a card whether it's specifically required or not.


Kind of worried about Russia today. They looked like a different team with Arshavin back and we've already seen two group winners go down. It only takes one bad outing for Holland's magical run to be over.

 

They don't always get a card.

Yeah, I am worried about them as well. They looked outstanding against Sweden and Hiddink is one hell of a coach.

I still think that the Dutch make it through though. They have an assload of talent, and they don't seem to have the racial issues that were so often the source of their locker room problems.

 

You can either acknowledge that you're wrong or just remain silent, I don't particularly care which.

http://www.indianexpress.com/res/web/pIe/ie/daily/19980312/07150564.html

PARIS, March 11 (1998): FIFA on Tuesday told coaches and referees that all tackles from behind should be punished with a red card at the World Cup finals.

``All tackling from behind is considered to endanger the physical integrity of the opponent, so no tackling from behind will be tolerated by Fifa,'' the world body's general secretary Sepp Blatter said.

``Officially from July 1, but effectively from the kick-off of the World Cup finals on June 10, all tackles from behind will be sanctioned by a red card everywhere on the field of play,'' he told a news conference at the end of Fifa's World Cup workshop with the 32 finalists.

The international football association board, the game's law making body, passed an amendment to Law 12 on Fouls and Misconduct at a meeting last month.

The amendment designates the tackle from behind as serious foul play and therefore a sending-off offence. However, referees at the workshop wondered whether the tackle had physically to endanger a player for the tackler to be sent off. Blatter told referees that all tackles from behind should receive red cards.

``It's impossible for the referee to see if a tackle is dangerous or not because all tackles from behind put in danger the physical integrity of the opponent,'' he said.

 

That's from 10 years ago - and wasn't implemented anyway as Blatter complained about the refs being inconsistent in its application - and it is no longer contained in the rules, posted by me above.

I understand that you feel the need to be considered an expert on everything, but unless you can post the current ammendment in the current set of rules then that article is about as useless as me arguing that the 3 point line in college b-ball is one of the previous distances, just because that's the way that it used to be.

I really can't believe that you would consider a 10 year old quote from Blatter as a more definitive source than the current edition of the rules, lol.

Edit - I would be happy to discuss actual footballing with you, but if all you have to add to this is to have an idiotic debate about the rules of the game, then start your own thread and see if you get any takers.

 

Yeah, I didn't think you would admit that you were wrong. You're the one who has to pretend that he's an expert on all things European, in this case soccer. Note that Elric said the same thing that I did. You're the only one who seems to think that tackles from behind don't get automatically carded.

Oh really? This link begs to differ:
SI: "LYON, France (CNN/SI) -- FIFA's decision to change the rules on tackles from behind was designed to provoke more scoring and protect the offensive player. Mexico provided FIFA with the perfect demonstration tape on Saturday. Benefiting from a man-advantage after a South Korean player was given a red card for just such a tackle, Mexico came back from a one-goal deficit to score three times in the second half for a 3-1 victory and its first World Cup match win in Europe."

Actually that's not true. You quoted the first part of Law 12 - Fouls and Misconduct, but conveniently left out the second part that included the following: "A tackle from behind, which endangers the safety of an opponent, must be sanctioned as serious foul play." And as your own list details, "a serious foul play" is the first of the sending off offenses mentioned.


The fact is that your link absolutely did not say that the red card for tackling from behind had been rescinded. Do you have a link for that or do you insist on arguing just to argue even though you have absolutely no evidence to dispute the links I posted?


This link to FIFA's rules mentions the institution of a red card for tackles from behind and does not mention anywhere about that rule being changed afterwards:

"The game's Law-makers then struck another blow against cynicism in 1998 when the fierce tackle from behind became a red-card offence. With a new century approaching, the commitment to forward-thinking football could not have been clearer."


This story from 2006 doesn't mention a change either:
"The 1994 World Cup in the United States was the first at which Fifa laid down targets for referees, identifying the tackle from behind and feigning injury as their unwanted elements. In 1998 it brought referees together for the pre-finals conference which was extended this year to a full-scale, week-long training and instruction session."


Or from FIFA as of 2005:
"Law 12 – Fouls and Misconduct
International FA Board Decision 4
Present Text: A tackle from behind, which endangers the safety of an opponent, must be sanctioned as serious foul play."

And while there was a change that was made, it did not stop making tackles from behind a red card. Instead it also emphasized that excessive tackles from the side or front should be considered serious fouls in addition to tackles from behind:

"New Text: A tackle, which endangers the safety of an opponent, must be sanctioned as serious foul play.

Reason: A tackle from behind but also from the side or the front, considered to be done with excessive force which injures or could have injured the opponent, must be sanctioned as serious foul play and therefore the offender must be sent off."



And 2008:
"A player who is guilty of serious foul play should be sent off and play
is restarted with a direct free kick from the position where the offence
occurred * (see page 3) or a penalty kick (if the offence occurred inside
the offender’s penalty area)"



Again, either admit you're wrong or just shut your mouth, I don't care which, but don't keep arguing over something I proved you wrong about.

 

The black armbands are a nice touch.

 

Agreed.