Division Leading Quarterbacks

I don't know of anyone actually saying first round or not at all. I'd rather get the right QB than just one that's there.
But the first round QBs are going to get talked about more than anything, and it's, as Piper said, inane to just say that second round is the way to go and disregard other options.


>>The only 1st rounder that I can think of that did anything specail in his rookie season was Marino...

and he had a hell of a team around him. Most teams that have good teams, but pick rookie QBs? They don't play them.

You go get that right guy. And then you hope your jugdement is right. You don't reach for Ragone just to get a QB. You don't pass over a QB you rate highly just because there's better value in the second.

 

I'd probably take Ragone in the second round.

 

I'd take Palmer and Leftwich in Round 1, Ragone in 2.

I'd feel good about Palmer or Leftwich, but don't think they'll fall, and don't want Ragone that early. And if we consider Ragone a 'project', why not get someone that can make an immediate impact, and grab a 'project qb' on day 2, when you get all OTHER positional projects?

I mean, I'd rather start Delhomme or King than Ragone, and they'll probably cost the same. Take an immediate starter in round 2.

AND PIPER - I THOUGHT MACGAHEE WAS STAYING IN SCHOOL?

Not yelling, but I wanted you to see that. Is he coming out? If so, your list and my list are identical, except I might push Leftwich and Palmer above Rodgers and Macgahee.

Regardless, it'll be a fun offseason. I hope Chicago beats us.

 

only problem with project QBs is already having one. I think a first day QB is necessary, FA or not. Put him third, Peete 2nd.
Even if it's a guy like Kingsbury or Grossman.
I've got more to say but I'll hold till I have time.

 

Well marino did well because he was gifted partially, but mostly because the dolfins had a good team in place already, shulas offense ran well with the combined talents of david woodley and don strock who were known as woodstrock. Neither of those to guys were the man nor would they ever be anywhere else. Strock got a free agent deal with cinn at the end of his career and it greatly accelerated the end of his career. Strock was a good spot player and came off the bench and won quite a few games when marino was injured. I guess the point of this babbling is if you've got talent at ball handling positions and a good line you're going to win with anyone at quaterback, and excell with a QB that has a little juice. Marino's big negative was once you got him pissed the game was lost, he'd just lose it.

 

meat. We will see what he says in February. Particuarly after an agent gives him the Kelley Washington speach.

 

I got no beef with that, as long as the pick isn't a reach.

Problem is, not many teams that have a top pick can wait a year to start a top 10 qb pick, which means we'll lose games. I'm referring to Leftwich and Palmer, here.

 

We'd lose our share of games with any FA QB. If we go with two free agents and battle amongst them, I'm OK with that. If we go with a Delhomme and see what we can get at QB in the draft, I'm okay with that. I just don't think another project would merit much unless it was to duel with Fasani.

 

>> Agreed that rookie QBs struggle, and come with a big risk long term. Agreed that you have to have the other parts to win, and just having a good QB doesn’t guarantee anything.

Funny though how having bad QB's does gurantee something.

>> Agreed we should not reach for a QB.

Maybe just a tad would be okay?

>> Disagree that we can afford to pass up a guy we like, particularly if players like Rodgers or McGahee are gone. None of the guys we currently have, IMO, are worth keeping.
Long term success is much more important than going 9-7 next year with Mark Brunnell/insert vet here. Saying we must take a QB is stupid, that’s what gets teams in trouble. That’s my problem with reaching for Ragone. But saying no to a QB PERIOD, just because short term success will be hindered, is equally as inane.

amen, brother.

 

In regard to Marino, he "fell like Randy Moss" - due to rumours of pot. The Steelers passed on him - took Gabe Rivera instead. The Dolphins screwed the Steelers over later, by trading Woodley to them.

Marino had solid WRs, an offense pre-built for him. He always had a quick release, and should have been a higher pick. But being a high pick, or first day pick, guarantees nothing.

We have so many needs, targeting a "round" to address a position is counterproductive. Take the best player on the board at the time.

And this year, get the free agents NOT drafted, targeted before the draft and signed soon after. That's one thing I didn't think Fox & Hurney did well.