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Detroit loses Big Ben to Chicago

Discussion in 'Charlotte Hornets' started by PantherPaul, Jul 3, 2006.

  1. PantherPaul

    PantherPaul Nap Enthusiasts

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    52 million over 4 years for Ben. 13 mil a year for rebounding and defense. Damn I wish I was taller and had a fro
     
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    that's a third more than most players can produce
     
  3. PantherPaul

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    Make it 15 mil per

    Ben Wallace was the heart of a champion.

    The 'fro of the franchise.



    In this moment of franchise tragedy, Pistons fans are asking the obvious question: How could this happen?
    The engine that churned the six collective Pistons into an NBA champion.

    On Monday, Big Ben tolled one last time for the Pistons. His agent, Arn Tellem, called Pistons president Joe Dumars to deliver the bad news: Wallace had decided to collect a bigger paycheck from the Chicago Bulls.

    We now recognize a moment of silence so Pistons fans can mourn.

    In this moment of franchise tragedy, Pistons fans are asking the obvious question: How could this happen?

    Wasn't Wallace a lock to re-sign with the Pistons five months ago? Didn't the Pistons trade Darko Milicic, in part, to free up cap space to re-sign Wallace?

    Wasn't this starting five like family, a family that could never be broken up?

    Five months ago, the answers all seemed to be pointing firmly toward "yes."



    Wallace had fired long-time agent Steve Kaufmann and insinuated that he didn't need an agent to negotiate his deal. Dumars sounded confident that a deal would get done and that Wallace was his first priority.

    Milicic was traded at the February deadline. The explanation was twofold. He wasn't going to get into the rotation as long as Ben, Rasheed Wallace and Antonio McDyess were on the team. He had a large salary for the upcoming season, and the Pistons needed to free up some room (they also traded Carlos Arroyo for salary cap reasons) to get more space.

    And don't forget that the Pistons were on pace to win more games than anyone since the Bulls won 70 games. We expected them to roll through the playoffs, dismiss their Western Conference challenger and win a second title in three years.

    But then things changed. Wallace started going public with his criticism of coach Flip Saunders. He hired superagent Tellem to negotiate his contract. The Pistons had their lunch handed to them by the Miami Heat in the Eastern Conference finals.

    By the time July 1 hit, nothing was set in stone.

    The Pistons made a quick contract offer of four years, $48 million -- more than they wanted to pay for a center who turns 32 in September and saw his numbers, across the board, decline this season.

    Wallace traveled to Chicago on Saturday to meet with the Bulls. After discussions with several teams about sign-and-trades, Wallace's agent informed the Pistons on Monday that the forward was leaving.

    By then, the Pistons were bracing for the bad news. As soon as they heard that the offers were close -- but that Wallace was still leaning another way -- the writing was on the wall.

    The bell, as Donne famously wrote, "was tolling for thee."

    The Bad Boys. The blue-collar workers whose signature was brutal defense and gritty offense will likely lie down in a plot next to Ben.

    Without Wallace anchoring the middle, the Pistons will have no choice but to change.

    Sure, they could go on the free-agent market and try to lure a player such as Joel Przybilla or Nazr Mohammed. Both guys are physical, and both rebound and block shots. But they're poor imitations of Wallace. The Pistons were unable to win the title the past two years with the real thing. What makes you expect they can do it with a knockoff?

    What this forces the Pistons to do is change. Change for the better? That's still up for debate.

    The Pistons' style of play was ugly. Although their hometown fans supported it, the NBA commissioner didn't. David Stern pushed through a number of changes and emphases in the rules that took away the Pistons' ability to do what they do best: play physical defense on the perimeter that funneled offensive players into Big Ben's lair.

    "No one was hurt more by the new rules changes and emphases than the Pistons," one prominent NBA general manager told ESPN Insider. "The league decided they wanted to encourage more scoring and allow quick perimeter players to penetrate at will. It ripped the heart out of what made Detroit so special. Eventually, we knew this would catch up with them."

    The Pistons brass slowly began realizing it, too, during the playoffs. Teams with players such as Dwyane Wade were thriving. The Ben Wallaces of the world were often sitting on the sideline waving towels thanks to foul trouble and bad matchups.

    So, the question Pistons officials had to ask themselves July 1 was this: Did they continue down the same road, or did they change direction before it was too late?

    Re-signing Wallace meant that the Pistons were locked into the same starting five for the next five years. If their losses in the playoffs for the past two years weren't a fluke, the team would struggle to regain its championship form.

    Choosing not to sign Wallace also has consequences. It makes an already thin Pistons team thinner. The Pistons don't have the cap room to make a run at a major free agent, meaning they'll have to piece together replacements with the mid-level exception and the draft. It seems unlikely that the Pistons would get better in the process.

    However, a change might do the Pistons good. The best plan might be to move Rasheed Wallace to the five and McDyess into the starting lineup at the four. That makes the Pistons bigger, more athletic and improves their offense significantly. They'll no longer have to play four-on-five every night on the offensive end of the floor.

    A number of teams are succeeding with this lineup. The Mavericks beat the Spurs in the playoffs using a similar configuration, and the Suns have been red hot for two years without a true center.

    Saunders isn't averse to playing this way, and he certainly has the tools to get it done. Chauncey Billups' instincts are to push the ball. Hamilton, Prince and Rasheed Wallace can stretch the defense with their shooting. McDyess does much of the dirty work that Ben Wallace did. And the Pistons do have players on their bench who can help.

    Everyone in Detroit is saying that Carlos Delfino will play a much bigger role next season. He can slash to the basket and is excellent in transition. The Pistons also are expecting a contribution from second-year player Jason Maxiell -- a rough, physical, undersized athlete who reminded many scouts of Ben Wallace when he was drafted last season.

    And the Pistons still have free agency to add another piece or two to the puzzle. They could still use an athletic scorer in their backcourt who could slash to the basket and get easy buckets or foul shots.

    In other words, things may not be as bad for the Pistons as fans may think. There may be life after Big Ben.

    As for Wallace? He heads to a Chicago Bulls team that already has a problem scoring. With the exception of Ben Gordon and (late in the season) Andreas Nocioni, the team didn't have a consistent scoring threat.

    Adding Wallace to the mix doesn't help that. He may be the only center in the league that's worse than Tyson Chandler offensively. While he adds defensive grit and shot-blocking, the Bulls used almost all of their cap space to get him. They overpaid big time and will have to live with that contract for the next four years.

    If they don't find a consistent low-post scorer (the Bulls are shopping Chandler looking for one) they could be in a position similar to the one the Pistons found themselves in last season: plenty of defense, but no offense to speak of.

    If that happens, it will be the ultimate irony for Wallace. He left thinking that he'd written the obituary of the franchise. Instead, it might be Big Ben and the Bulls for whom the bell tolls.
     
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    That's a lot of money for an aging C that has a 2 foot shooting range and is slowing down.
     
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    Even two or three years ago he wasnt worth that much money. Biggest waste of money ever.
     
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    He's overrated. He gets all the hype cause of the players surrounding him. He's a good rebounder, but only averages about 7 or 8 points a game. The Bulls found their missing link in a decent center, but he is not worth 60 million. That's outrageous.
     
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    Even if they overpaid, the Bulls found a missing piece for their team. This is what makes sense about this.

    The Bulls don't have a main points guy, instead, they have several players who score 15-25 every game, with one of them having a big night most of the time. However, what the Bulls needed was not a scoring center, they needed a rebounding and shot blocking center. The points will come from somewhere else. This is exactly what they got when they acquired Big Ben.

    Besides, the Bulls were already one of the top defensive teams in the league. This will definitely strengthen their defense and catapult them above all eastern teams except Miami.

    Remember, the Bulls gave the Heat more trouble in the playoffs than any other team did. You add Big Ben to that team, plus their new draft picks, and this team is definitely a playoffs team with a big possibility of making the finals.

    And yes, I'm a Bulls homer. :)
     
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    No the Hornets just did that with Peja.
     
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    :agreed: Defense is way overrated. Ben Wallace sucks ass.
     
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    kickazzz2000 CURRENTLY ON THE CAN

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