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Creationist Wolf in Cheap Clothing

Discussion in 'Religion & Spirituality Forum' started by El Bastardo, Aug 6, 2005.

  1. Superfluous_Nut

    Superfluous_Nut pastor of muppets

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    is this a serious response? i think it's not, but the question was.

    if god is a reliable constant, then he is predictable, and therefore far from omnipotent and lacking any aspect one might consider intelligence. in fact, he'd be effectively reduced to a natural phenomenon. he'd be just another primary force, like gravity or magnetism.
     
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    slydevl Asshole for the People!

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    Is it an accepted scientific theory?

    What is the current test for it?
     
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    vpkozel Professional Calvinballer

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    No, it wasn't a serious response. Was it at least humorous?

    OK - I see. I'll have to think about that one.
     
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    hasbeen99 Fighting the stereotype

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    You're leaving out choice. Just because God chooses not to do something does not mean He can't.
     
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    Superfluous_Nut pastor of muppets

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    depends on what you want to ascribe to the idea. it doesn't propose the theory of evolution, it simply proposes that gradual mutations won't necessarily show up as gradual physical alterations in the fossil record, and that other natural factors can effect the rate of gross mutations found.

    which part? you'd have to prove evolution first and then test for gradualism vs punctuated equilibrium.
     
  6. Superfluous_Nut

    Superfluous_Nut pastor of muppets

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    certainly. there could be a wide range of intelligent beings who completely leave us alone and have not, nor will ever do anything that would effect us. but then, who cares if they exist?

    god could certainly choose to be inert, but then, he wouldn't be any less inert simply because it was his choice. if he kills himself, he's still dead
     
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    Are human beings predictable? What does this have to do with whether or not we exist?

    The existance is binary, and therefore would be constant, and is seperate and independent from any actions.
     
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    Superfluous_Nut pastor of muppets

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    yes and no. personally, i believe that humans are actually predictable in the sense that there is no random and thus, no free will. however, in practice, one would need to know the complete state of every aspect of a person in order to make a valid prediction of their immediate future. so yes, humans are predictable, but way too complex to predict at the moment.

    if humans were more easily predictable, they would not be so special. if human reactions to events were more along the lines of reflexes where a particular input yielded a particular result, then i don't believe one would conclude that humans are intelligent.

    again, yes and no. god's existance is indeed binary, but if god ceases being god, does he still exist? if i paint my red car white, do i still own a red car? the car still exists and i still own it, but the description is no longer applicable. god isn't just a name, it's a descriptor that carries with it supreme power. what use is a god that is no longer god?
     
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    Maybe a better question would be if you park your red car in the garage and never take it out, do you still own a red car? Or if a volcano doesn't erupt, is it still a volcano?
     
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    but we're talking predictability here. a car in a garage and a dormant volcano still have potential, whereas a predictable god by definition is incapable of being unpredictable and with his predictability comes comprehension and ultimately control. that doesn't sound like god to me -- something humans can predict and control.
     

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