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Creationist Wolf in Cheap Clothing

Discussion in 'Religion & Spirituality Forum' started by El Bastardo, Aug 6, 2005.

  1. El Bastardo

    El Bastardo Who me?

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    Creationist Wolf in Cheap Clothing

    FFRF via BBSNews - 2005-08-05 -- Are we surprised when a president known more for his faith than his intellect advises us that creationism should be taught in public schools? George W. Bush, responding this week to a question about evolution and "intelligent design," gave us his learned scientific opinion: "Both sides ought to be properly taught . . . so people can understand what the debate is about. . . . Part of education is to expose people to different schools of thought."

    Charles Robert Darwin (1809-1882).
    Charles Robert Darwin (1809-1882)

    Widely considered the father of evolution, Charles Darwin is often times a revered figure in scientific circles, and a reviled figure in some religious circles. Particularly Christians who believe in the theory of Creationism, where the universe was for them created in six days by a Christian God.

    Darwin for a time struggled between the notion of being a country doctor or a clergyman, but an opportunity arose to make a five year long scientific quest around the world on the H.M.S. Beagle. During this long voyage he collected specimens and observed life forms at Pacific coral islands, the Galapagos islands and South America.

    In On the Origin of Species, one of the most famous scientific texts ever written, Darwin spelled out his notoriously brilliant idea of natural selection, he wrote in 1859:

    "As many more individuals of each species are born than can possibly survive; and as, consequently, there is a frequently recurring struggle for existence, it follows that any being, if it vary however slightly in any manner profitable to itself, under the complex and sometimes varying conditions of life, will have a better chance of surviving, and thus be naturally selected. From the strong principle of inheritance, any selected variety will tend to propagate its new and modified form."

    A myth that still struggles for survival today is that Charles Darwin "repented" from Evolution or even converted to Christianity on his deathbed is just that, a myth. Darwin was not an atheist. He was a deist, in other words and quite ironically, a believer in an intelligent designer.
    Does anyone think Bush really cares about an objective academic debate? Our president, the darling of the Christian right, is simply using his office to legitimize his theistic views, which happen to be the origin myth of the believing bloc that voted him into office.

    As Christian conservative Gary Bauer pointed out: "With the president endorsing it, at the very least it makes Americans who have that position more respectable."

    But there are more than two origin explanations. Does Bush advise "properly" teaching the various Native American creation myths, such as the earth forming on the back of a turtle rising from the waters? Does he insist that the "school of thought" of the Raelians (that humans are cloned extraterrestials) or the Babylonian Enuma Elish (that we sprang from the blood drops of the goddess Tiamat) also be "properly" taught in public science classrooms? Exactly how do you "properly teach" myth and magic in the science class?

    The proponents of "intelligent design"--which is just the old creationist wolf in cheap clothing--want us to think that because there seem (to them) to be examples of "irreducible complexity" in living cells, or in other features of the universe, we must conclude that it was designed by an intelligence outside of nature. Since creationists have repeatedly been told by the courts that they can no longer outlaw evolution or teach Genesis in public schools, they are careful not to specify exactly who this designer is, pretending that their hypothesis is merely objective, disinterested science.

    Really. Golly, George, who do you think the mysterious Designer is?

    Bush and the ID people are fooling no one. Look who cheers when the president makes such remarks: not scientists--who overwhelmingly reject "intelligent design"--but bible toters, theocrats and preachers. Theologian Cardinal Schonborn of Vienna claims that evolution as an "unguided, unplanned process of random variation and natural selection" is untrue. This is not science vs. science. This is poorly disguised religious dogma vs. the fact of evolution.

    "Creationism science" is three things:

    1) An attack on evolution, offering no evidence for their hypothesis of a designer ("Natural selection is wrong, so we win by default");

    2) The old "god of the gaps" strategy of seeking supposedly unanswerable questions, and plugging the gap with a deity ("Gosh, we can't explain this, so there must be a god");

    3) A story, such as the creation myth in the book of Genesis ("God said it, I believe it").

    "Intelligent design" is not science. Its proponents have never had an article published on the topic in any peer-reviewed scientific journal. They conduct no experiments that would prove or falsify their hypothesis. Their conjecture makes no useful predictions, nor can it be mathematically modeled. There are no research labs doing ID science.

    And who are they to proclaim that we have reached the end of scientific progress? It is the gaps that drive science forward, not grind it to a halt.

    The ancients thought thunder and soil fertility were evidence of deities, but now we know something about electricity, weather, and agriculture. Those gaps have closed, and those gods have died. Isaac Newton, a fervent Christian, played the same game. After brilliantly discovering the laws of gravity that hold the planets in orbit, he failed to come up with an explanation for why the planets move in the same plane and same direction. He impatiently declared that these unsolvable mysteries were evidence for an intelligent designer. But now we know something about the formation of solar systems, and that gap has closed.

    Just because today's scientists can't fully answer a particular question, can creationists mandate that no further inquiry is allowed? (Many of their supposed examples of "irreducible complexity," by the way, have already been explained, but this does not seem to discourage them.)

    Let's ask creationists: Someday, when these gaps have closed and all your purported examples of "irreducible complexity" have been satisfactorily explained by science, will you abandon your belief in a god?

    "Intelligent design" a not true science, vulnerable to disconfirmation. It is merely a prop to legitimize prior beliefs.

    Scientists, by the way, do acknowledge design in the universe: design by natural selection, and by the limited number of ways atoms and molecules can combine mathematically and geometrically, or by emergent properties arising from "chaos," and so on. But "intelligent" design is an unsatisfactory hypothesis because it simply answers one mystery with another mystery. The mind of an intelligent designer would itself show signs of functional complexity, raising the question: who designed the designer?

    If George Bush really wants to "expose people to different schools of thought," will he advocate teaching Darwinism in Sunday School? Shall we insert a chapter from Origin of the Species between Genesis 1 and 2?

    The debate between the supernatural and natural world views ought to be discussed, but not in science class. It's not as though today's schoolchildren have been deprived of hearing about an "intelligent designer." There are churches on every other corner and religious broadcasts across the radio and TV spectra. Let's talk about religion--the good and the bad of it--in a class on philosophy or current topics.

    But not in science class. Science teachers should teach science. Those who pretend "intelligent design" is science are missionaries, not teachers.
     
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    Why are evolutionists so scared to admit the HUGE holes in their precious little theory?
     
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    Science Puerto Rican of the Sea

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    Enlighten us as to those "holes" please. And in the remaining time, explain how creationism is based on sound scientific evidence.
     
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    Why do those who support evolution fear the teaching of creationism? If Evolution is so much more logical and grounded in science then why worry if kids are also presented with creation? Wont they simply dismiss it anyway?
     
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    slydevl Asshole for the People!

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    Never claimed it was. Your lack of knowledge of those holes shows how uneducated you are on the subject. Talk to your teachers, not me.

    If they want to teach evolution they should definately address the many, many, many questions that the "evidence" simply does not answer.
     
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    slydevl Asshole for the People!

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    Evolution has an extremely shallow grounding in science.
     
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    Typical TBR bullshit -- ask someone to explain the factual basis of a claim, and they say "go look it up" or "go ask someone else."

    I'm not wasting my time researching your idioctic notions.
     
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    slydevl Asshole for the People!

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    I have laid out my claims on here very clearly. None of which have been debated with any merit at all.

    The fossil record does not contain a single transitional species. Evolution as a theory cannot explain the cambrian explosion, irreducibly complex organisms, or epigenesis.

    Start with those. There are plenty more.
     
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    Anyone who claims to know what happened millions of years ago with certainty is fooling himself. Short of creating a time machine man will never be able to prove evolution.
     
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    and how does intelligent design fix these holes?

    what is your theory?
     

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