Creation? Evolution?

I'm sure there are other posts here on this topic, but I didn't find a thread devoted to it in an admittedly quick search.

I'm interested in what others think on these subjects.

I haven't given either serious consideration some years. My current thinking is that some sort of evolution has occurred, though the scientific theories have some serious flaws. I also think that creation by an intelligent being is possible, but the "how" of it is described in religious accounts is all (to my knowledge) metaphorically.

Edit: BTW, I don't think they're mutually exclusive concepts.

Thoughts?

 

I'm reading the Bible from front to back with my kids. I'll tell you the truth, sometimes it's hard for me to keep a straight face when reading some of the old testiment things, but I can honestly say that no matter how far fetched or metaphoric some of it seems it makes 100% more sense than anything evolution has ever shown me.

If evolutionist really wanted to sell me, they would do away with the whole millions of years thing. It is just so pathetic to think that they could have bones or anything else from millions of years ago. Then you got the HUGE gaps in creature evolution. There is no evidence to support evolution. It is a pathetic hoax.

Do I think that plants and animals adapt? yes. Do I think that a micro-organisim developed into man? no.

 

oh my.

my thought is pretty much that evolution is reasonably well documented in the fossil record, tho gaps do exist. the exact mechanism(s) and the complete history of all life is not yet known and will likely never be known in full.

intelligent design seems to be an acknowledgement by creationists that evolution has indeed taken place, or at least a hedge against the continually mounting evidence. personally, i find the idea that some creator force designed all life on earth and has since let his machine run its course to be a bit like the idea that the universe is a just an atom in a giant's finger. it's an interesting thought experiment, but unless you believe in giants, i don't get the point.

edit: classic creationism takes that idea to a whole different level. an omnipotent being could have simply created the universe intact with a false history just a moment ago. in fact, he might not have even created it yet -- this might all be the fake history. omnipotence as a theory for how things work seems like multiplying by zero to make two sides of an equation be equal.

 

I don't think I could agree more. This is exactly how I feel.

 

Romans 1:19-32 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 Ever since the creation of the world his eternal power and divine nature, invisible though they are, have been understood and seen through the things he has made. So they are without excuse; 21 for though they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their senseless minds were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools; 23 and they exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling a mortal human being or birds or four-footed animals or reptiles. 24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the degrading of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen. 26 For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error. 28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind and to things that should not be done. 29 They were filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, covetousness, malice. Full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, craftiness, they are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, F6 insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, rebellious toward parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 They know God's decree, that those who practice such things deserve to die - yet they not only do them but even applaud others who practice them.

 

And just what evidence has God provided besides a book that at best is described as "historical"?

 

I believe firmly in microevolution, but not at all in macroevolution.

And yes, AK, I see no reason why Creationism/Intelligent Design and microevolution can't be intertwined. :xyzthumbs

 

I kinda have an issue with the other group. Now if you wanted to sell me on the whole 'all seeing, all knowing, all good' etc thing...how did one snake slip by and screw everything up for the rest of us? That bothers me.

 

I think the best answer to that question would be the Theory of Intelligent Design.

 

The simple answer is free will.