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Cautiously Optomistic

Discussion in 'Carolina Panthers' started by T_Schroll, Sep 16, 2002.

  1. Piper

    Piper Guest

    Great post, coach. I particuarly like this part.

    >>Sure, Peete's not our future, but if you wait for your 'future' guys, at all the positions to win, you may never win anything, thus always having to replace you 'future' good players who leave 'cause they're tired of losing and want decent pay.
     
  2. SandMan

    SandMan Guest

    Whats musical? Only one starter this season. Fox made a decision, thank God we have coach that can do such. Fox handled it very well.

    Yes, we should have seen Fasani more with the 1st team. Winky is still number two because Fasani still has question marks in practice.

    Its not an issue of if Peete is their man... why not lock him in? There is no need to. He is not long term. But playing Winky is not the answer either, he's not long term. Then you have a more athletic playmaker like Fasani that just needs more time to adjust and learn the NFL system.

    In the end, yes, I'd like to know who we have slated at QB the next 5 years but right now we don't have the people here to fill that role. Fasani may or may not.
     
  3. HeadCase

    HeadCase Guest

    woof, woof.

    i'm not trying to be a good little puppy but i don't see any reason to be snipping at Fox's heels at the moment. i was shocked about his going to Peete but so far, everything he's done has worked out pretty good. and it's not just Peete. it's the way they were careful spending money during the offseason, the FAs they brought in, the players they drafted, the players they shipped out (Huntley in particular), the trade they made getting us both Wallace and an extra 4th round pick, moving Morgan to MLB, they way he handled the camps, the way he managed the team during preseason, the way the team played its first 2 games, the way individual players seem to be improving (Moose and Terry in particular) and the wins. i just don't see anything to make me want to jump up and bite him. maybe he's made a couple of small slips with the press but it seems to me that he's done so many more things right that i can forgive him.

    and i don't see the point in saying that i'm gonna lay in the weeds to bite his ass the first time he fucks up. i expect there to be some mistakes and i'm sure that even if i don't see them you and dickless will be shoving them in my face. and i have no problem with that ... from you, as you know what you're talking about (even though i don't always agree ... but am man enough to eat crow when i'm obviously wrong).

    i suppose i could sit around and start worrying what JR's gonna do. but why? it's like you got nothing at the moment to bitch about in regards to Fox so you turn your attention to JR. me, i'd rather not spend my life in gloom and doom. for the first time in probably six years, i feel really good about the direction the team is headed (and am crossing all my toes and fingers that it is not just a mirage) and, i know it goes against his history, but i'm gonna bet that JR has learned his leason and is not gonna fuck things up this time. so i'm gonna be a happy little puppy until they give me a reason in the now to start whining.
     
  4. Piper

    Piper Guest

    In the end, what’s wrong with cautious optimism? Sure, we all know that the team hasn’t been tested. And the team has a history of bad decisions fucking up a good bit of momentum. But we are two and 0. The team has draft choices like Jenkins, Smith, Morgan, Moose, and Peppers who are making plays. We’ve filled holes at a number of positions with cheap FA, and those players have played well. We are 2 and 0. The next four games are against teams that, though we might not be favored against, have their own issues and are hardly looked like juggernaughts, so who knows? There’s reason to be optimistic. This coaching staff has made good decisions, and has given me no reason to doubt that it won’t continue to.

    Peete and Fasani should have had more time in preseason? Sure. But Peete couldn’t play, and Fasani is simply not ready to play. Obviously the coaching staff knew Peete well enough to know that he can still play a competent version of QB until Weinke/Fasani/More likely brand X is ready to come in.
     
  5. BearBryant

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    sorry but until Peete loses a game or even fumbles or throws an int, we can't complain about anything. Sure it's not pretty but who cares.
     
  6. magnus

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    >>it's like you got nothing at the moment to bitch about in regards to Fox so you turn your attention to JR.

    To me, it's a legit concern. If you want to tow the line, you can :D
    I'm just giving you shit. I've been there before. It's not gloom and doom, it's not having nothing better to complain about, it's a realization that at some point soon, JR will go against our team's wishes for his personal feelings. That's wrong.

    Piper:
    >>In the end, what’s wrong with cautious optimism?

    Nothing. I'm just not one for reactionary spells. This team won't go to the playoffs because they're 2-0. They aren't the worst team ever if they'd gone 0-2.

    Fox is a good coach, not a great one. He'll always be a good coach. He'll make mistakes, and one day he might get fired. It's not like suddenly he won't be a good coach anymore. It's not that he gets a free pass till we feel differently, and then we're going to shit on him from there. I'm just not that type person, but I guess most are.
     
  7. Piper

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    Granted. But the team has done, pretty much, what I've wanted. Hell, what you've wanted.

    Good FA choices, draft picks that fit both need and best available, at least with the first two rounds. If Foster pans out, it's not going to matter what Witherspoon does.

    I've preached that we were too slow, too little pass rush, and too poor vs the run to even amount to anything for TWO YEARS. And now those problems are not problems. We are better vs the run. We do have a better pass rush. We are faster.

    The Ravens would have dropped 3 TDs on the 2000 team, and Clarence Jones and Campbell would have done their best matador impression. That didn't happen. We might have still beaten them, but these victories feel like some improvement, rather than being carried by an passing game that goes backward as much as forward.
     
  8. LarryD

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    GO PANTHERS!
     
  9. SandMan

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    So do you ever think he will be a "great coach"? I think if he takes this team to the playoffs 2 times in the next 4 years, he would be a better coach than Siefert based on what the two of them had to work with and all. Lets say he goes to 3 playoffs and goes to a superbowl in the next 4 years... I think that would make him a great coach, based on the mess he walked into.

    I don't know, I've always believed that being great one year or even for several years, player or coach does not give you the "get out of bad coach free card". No all people labeld as Great, remain that way for ever.
     

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