Carolina Panthers Salary Cap Tracker

I AM THE GODDAMN MAYOR OF THIS MOTHERFUCKING CITY

 

Sorry to get back to this but busier than I anticipated tonight. First off I'm not smart enough so whatever I come up with please don't take it as taking one persons side. In a way I think you two are saying the same thing but differently.
That said:
So cutting your player in February would mean the cap hit is $5 million (the year 3 proration) plus the accelerated proration ($10 million) minus the year 3 salary. That's your net cap number.

If I'm reading this right your cutting/trading the player and subtracting his 3rd year salary from the remaining signing bonus in February following the second year played? Why would you get credit for a salary he wont get since the fiscal year doesn't start until June? I would just think the remaining signing bonus he was given would be the cap hit that year. Can you still spread out the remaining signing bonus the original length of the contract so it isn't a shit load of dead money as soon as he gets cut/traded?

If Jakes salary was fully guaranteed signing bonus and all I'd like to smack a 2x4 off Hurneys head. I thought it was the signing bonus we had to pay him

 

There is no side to take. No one is arguing about how June 1st cuts work or the possibility that Carolina might use them. The point was that magnus is shitting this thread up just to piss me off with extraneous bullshit. Not only do I dislike the concept of June 1st cuts and hope that the Panthers don't use them, but they just end up confusing fans like you who aren't as into all this complexity, plus the actual total dead cap created doesn't change. It's the same number, just split over two seasons instead of concentrated in one. I look at it as you having to eat a giant cockroach and deciding whether to get it over with or eat part of it today and the rest tomorrow.

Magnus just means that the cap charge for not cutting Player X would obviously include his base salary in Year 3, but cutting him means that base salary no longer matters since in the NFL it's not guaranteed (or not usually, as more contracts are now stipulating partial guarantees in base salary in addition to all the bonus stuff, so those would count against the cap if released but I'm not sure about traded).

No. Your only two options are to deal with all the dead cap immediately or designate June 1st and deal with the dead cap from just the first year and then have everything remaining count against the following year. It's something you do if you need cap space to sign players, which is not what the Panthers should be focused on. They need to get out from under these bad contracts as quickly as possible, which is why I said this back before magnus crapped on the thread:

 

fiscal year starts in March. June is only important because it's when the (year+1) bonus proration counts against that year instead of the current year - regardless of status on the roster from there. It's at that point in which any acceleration would count against (year+1), year 4 in your example. You can't continue to spread that signing bonus across all years since the cut creates a situation where the contract is done - so it spreads to the end of that contract (which is now, or the following year).

I wouldn't have been against that being in the CBA, to where proration and guarantees on money were final no matter what. But the NFLPA would have an issue with that, in that a player becomes more cuttable since there's no "penalty". You'd be stuck with a signing bonus proration either way. Which is logical - you've paid that money (in your example, 3 years ago). it's not like you owe player X a check a year after you cut him.

Now, if you do like Tampa Bay has done, for instance, which is to guarantee salaries and call that guaranteed money, you have a contract that looks (as in your example) 5 years of $10 million salaries. The first two or even three may be fully guaranteed, and then you owe a check. But there's no bonus proration, so if you can get three years out of a player, he's gotten his money, you're free of him if you want. Some teams are looking for "offset language" that somehow makes it not guaranteed if you're not with that team, but that's why teams didn't want to go to fully guaranteed salaries.



And, no, I don't think we're saying vastly different things. He's attempting to show how it will take a long time to cut these players, from a different standpoint from mine (I don't want to cut most of these players, but I'm showing how it may be possible using a method he either prefers to not use, or chose not to include for various reasons). It's not really relevant to me, in year 3 (again your example) what the total cap charge is. It should be the net, because that's what impacts the overall picture (whether a June cut, a regular cut, or an early cut you say is a June cut like Travelle Wharton this year). Year 3 doesn't matter for bonus proration because it's there no matter what. So it's acceleration v/s salary. Cost to keep v/s cost to cut. And to look at that part, I feel you need June cuts. There's a cost for three things there, not two, and that doesn't seem more complex - all the info to make that choice is in front of you.

That seems relevant to me, but what do I know. I'm pure evil.

that's what I'm arguing, and you're saying it's irrelevant because it's only the total cap hit. The rest of it's your invention. You do seem to suggest it matters when I don't say it:

See? It's relevant. And how those two actions count against your cap are different. Correct? You disliking it, or thinking that fans aren't smart enough to handle it, doesn't make it relevant.

 

Magnus, you're not evil. You are a cun+, though. You get passive-aggressive and start conflict any time you get jealous or defensive. I've always said that you act more like a chick than a guy because you pull all this bullshit and then insist that you're not doing anything. You have never once taken responsibility for any of your behavior in all your time posting, not only here but the Lair & the Observer board as well.

If you weren't a total cun+then this would have ended after I said:

Instead you have dragged this out for seven more pages. That's because you're a cun+

 

they'll probably spread the hit out, but i think i'd rather they not also. how could watching 3 or 4 more guys that shouldn't be starting, but will probably play their ass off, be worse than what we're watching now.

 

that's the thing. I disagree with what you said. "
The point of this thread is to provide the total amounts since those are the only definites" isn't how it works. Cap savings versus cap hit. You can keep calling me names (which somehow makes me the bad guy, but trust me, if I returned fire you'd be even more insufferable), but you can't deny that teams will do what they need to do because of an overall picture, not a line item (half of which you say fans just don't need to know).

 

So basically, you want to discuss fiction.

There is a process defined for June 1st cuts. Managed properly, it can be a benefit. To ignore that is to ignore reality. It seems to be the point Magnus is making. My point is still you're a whiny ass bitch.

 

it'll definitely be a mix of both. There's really no way around it.