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Discussion in 'Religion & Spirituality Forum' started by genesis, Sep 8, 2009.

  1. genesis

    genesis asleep at the wheel

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    I have a lot more reading,Studding and research to do because though your answers are helpful and I can kinda remember what you have said coming from Genesis, it is not my area of expertise. The book of revelations is the one I study the most. I am going to go back and dust off the old book so I can compare your answers to what is in the bible. Thanks thus far and keep watch. I am sure I will be back with more questions on this topic at some point in the future. On a side note the response that ecliam gave is what I was thinking in general. God would have had to have known that Adam and Eve were going to sin. So why did he give them the option already knowing the answer and that humans would from that point on be condemned? An all loving father would not put a plate of cookies in front a one year old knowing that the one year old is going to take a cookie. Then tell the kid don't touch. When the kid does punish them by banning them from the kitchen for life and continue to punish that child and child's children and so forth for the remainder of eternity.
     
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    hasbeen99 Fighting the stereotype

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    It's only damaging if the humans opt out of the relationship. Being tempted isn't a bad thing. Giving into temptation is.

    Drooling imbeciles? No, I don't believe that at all. Everything I've read in the Bible suggests to me that God was always looking for a parent-to-child relationship with mankind. If that's true, then devotion and obedience are key to experiencing the best that relationship has to offer. Granted, it's not a direct translation.

    With regard to the nakedness thing, I think I understand the dynamic. It took several years of marriage before I did, though. I'm not a guy who's proud of my body. Never have been (and with good reason, for the most part). But with my wife, I'm okay with it. Going back to the passage in question...

    That's the way we feel together. It's not about showing off as much as it is feeling absolutely safe. Completely intimate. No shame whatsoever. The opposite is true as well -- if our relationship is in bad shape, we tend to cover up a lot more.
     
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    hasbeen99 Fighting the stereotype

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    I need to make a correction here. God did say it was the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. (Gen 2:17)
     
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    hasbeen99 Fighting the stereotype

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    I respectfully disagree. When looking at it (as best I can) from a parent's perspective, He demands obedience because it leads to mankind's happiness, growth, liberty, and pleasure. Why do parents demand obedience from their kids? Usually because:

    • They know better.
    • They want to keep their kids from harm.
    • They want their kids to make the best choices so they can live the best life possible.
    • They want to have the best relationship possible with their kids. Disobedience and defiance undermines that.
     
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    well then why did god create the serpent in the first place? If he is all knowing and all powerful he must have seen what happened coming...he could have prevented it.
     
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    hasbeen99 Fighting the stereotype

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    He wasn't always a serpent. According to the Bible, Satan started out as the prince of all angels.
     
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    regardless...if the god you believe in is all knowing and all powerful , how could he not see this coming....and if he did not want it to happen that way...why not just change it back?
     
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    I've come to believe that the fruit was the act of disbelieving God. Jesus said that we would be "known by our fruit" and the act of eating the fruit demonstrated a belief of something other than what God said.
     
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    I believe He did see it coming. And I definitely wish He would've eliminated the problem before it became a problem. I think we'd all be a lot happier hanging out with God in a place where pain, sorrow, sickness and evil don't exist before we die.

    The only possible explanation I've been able to come up with is that in order for God to have people who choose to be with Him, they have to be able to choose not to. The Bible's position is that every ounce of evil in this world can be traced back to decisions to stand against, or walk away from God.

    But I think heaven (in the short term) and the New Earth described in Revelation (long term) is the other half of that equation. I think God's ultimate goal is to have a world full of people who love Him and who choose Him. I think He wants a family of people who actually want to be with Him, not just squatters who had no better alternatives to avoid hell.
     
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    How about the possibility that the bible was written by humans and is just a bunch of stories with very little behind truth behind it.
     

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