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Battlestar Galactica - Season II

Discussion in 'TV & Movie Discussion' started by mathmajors, May 16, 2005.

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    that was pretty good, nothing like a cliffhanger.
     
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    Good acting. Good writing. Damn good show...
     
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    I like the way that the writers are screwing with the audience. First they set you up to support Adama agains the president then they make you want to say that Adama and his superior officer should both fall under the authority of the president.
     
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    This is an article written by Dirk Benedict in 2004 regarding Starbuck, or as he calls her Stardoe. I like the new character, but this is indeed an interesting read. Kind of makes me fearful of what will happen with the A-Team remake

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    Starbuck: Lost in Castration

    Once upon a time, in what used to be a far away land called Hollywood
    but is now a state of mind and everywhere, a young actor was handed a
    script and asked to bring to life a character called Starbuck. I am
    that actor. The script was called Battlestar Galactica.

    Fortunately I was young, my imagination fertile and adrenal glands
    strong, because bringing Starbuck to life was over the dead
    imaginations of a lot of Network Executives. Every character trait I
    struggled to give him was met with vigourous resistance. A charming
    womaniser? The "Suits" (Network Executives) hated it. A cigar
    (fumerello) smoker? The Suits hated it. A reluctant hero who found
    humour in the bleakest of situations? The Suits hated it. All this
    negative feedback convinced me I was on the right track.

    Starbuck was meant to be a loveable rogue. It was best for the show,
    best for the character and the best that I could do. The Suits didn't
    think so. "One more cigar and he's fired,"they told Glen Larson, the
    creator of the show. "We want Starbuck to appeal to the female
    audience for crying out loud!" You see, the Suits knew women were
    turned off by men who smoked cigars. Especially young men. (How
    they "knew" this was never revealed.) And they didn't stop there. "If
    Dirk doesn't quit playing every scene with a girl like he wants to
    get her in bed, he's fired!" This was, well, it was blatant
    heterosexuality. Treating women like "sex objects". I thought it was
    flirting. Never mind. They wouldn't have it.

    I wouldn't have it any other way, or rather Starbuck wouldn't. So we
    persevered, Starbuck and I. The show, as the saying goes, went on and
    the rest is history – for, lo and behold, women from all over the
    world sent me boxes of cigars, phone numbers, dinner requests,
    marriage proposals... The Suits were not impressed. They would have
    there way, which is what Suits do best, and after one season of
    puffing and flirting and gambling, Starbuck, that loveable scoundrel,
    was indeed fired. Which is to say Battlestar Galactica was cancelled.
    Starbuck however, would not stay cancelled, but simply morphed into
    another flirting, cigar-smoking, blatant heterosexual called Faceman
    Another show, another set of Suits and, of course, if the A-Team
    movie rumours prove correct, another remake.

    There was a time – I know I was there – when men were men, women were
    women and sometimes a cigar was just a good smoke. But 40 years of
    feminism have taken their toll. The war against masculinity has been
    won. Everything has turned into its opposite, so that what was once
    flirting and smoking is now sexual harassment and criminal. And
    everyone is more lonely and miserable as a result.

    Witness the "re-imagined" Battlestar Galactica. It's bleak,
    miserable, despairing, angry and confused. Which is to say, it
    reflects, in microcosm, the complete change in the politics and mores
    of today's world as opposed to the world of yesterday. The world of
    Lorne Greene (Adama) and Fred Astaire (Starbuck's Poppa), and Dirk
    Benedict (Starbuck). I would guess Lorne is glad he's in that Big
    Bonanza in the sky and well out of it. Starbuck, alas, has not been
    so lucky. He's not been left to pass quietly into that trivial world
    of cancelled TV characters.

    "Re-imagining", they call it. "un-imagining" is more accurate. To
    take what once was and twist it into what never was intended. So that
    a television show based on hope, spiritual faith, and family is
    unimagined and regurgitated as a show of despair, sexual violence and
    family dysfunction. To better reflect the times of ambiguous morality
    in which we live, one would assume. A show in which the aliens
    (Cylons) are justified in their desire to destroy our civilisation.
    One would assume. Indeed, let us not say who are he guys and who are
    the bad. That is being "judgemental". And that kind of (simplistic)
    thinking went out with Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan and
    Katharine Hepburn and John Wayne and, well the original Battlestar
    Galactica.

    In the bleak and miserable, "re-imagined" world of Battlestar
    Galactica, things are never that simple. Maybe the Cylons are not
    evil and alien but in fact enlightened and evolved? Let us not judge
    them so harshly. Maybe it is they who deserve to live and Adama, and
    his human ilk who deserves to die? And what a way to go! For the re-
    imagined terrorists (Cylons) are not mechanical robots void of soul,
    of sexuality, but rather humanoid six-foot-tall former lingerie
    models who f**k you to death. (Poor old Starbuck, you were imagined
    to early. Think of the fun you could have had `fighting' with these
    thong-clad aliens! In the spirit of such soft-core sci-fi porn I
    think a more re-imaginative title would have been F**cked by A Cylon.
    (Apologies to Touched by An Angel.)

    One thing is certain. In the new un-imagined, re-imagined world of
    Battlestar Galactica everything is female driven. The male
    characters, from Adama on down, are confused, weak, and wracked with
    indecision while the female characters are decisive, bold, angry as
    hell, puffing cigars (gasp) and not about to take it any more.

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    One can quickly surmise what a problem the original Starbuck created
    for the re-imaginators. Starbuck was all charm and humour and
    flirting without an angry bone in his womanising body. Yes, he was
    definitely `female driven', but not in the politically correct ways
    of Re-imagined Television. What to do, wondered the Re-imaginators?
    Keep him as he was, with a twinkle in his eye, a stogie in his mouth,
    a girl in every galaxy? This could not be. He would stick out like,
    well like a jock strap in a drawer of thongs. Starbuck refused to be
    re-imagined. It became the Great Dilemma. How to have your Starbuck
    and delete him too?

    The best minds in the world of un-imagination doubled their intake of
    Double Soy Lattes as they gathered in their smoke-free offices to
    curse the day this chauvinistic Viper Pilot was allowed to be. But
    never under estimate the power of the un-imaginative mind when it
    encounters an obstacle (character) it subconsciously loathes. "Re-
    inspiration" struck. Starbuck would go the way of most men in today's
    society. Starbuck would become "Stardoe". What the Suits of
    yesteryear had been incapable of doing to Starbuck 25 years ago was
    accomplished quicker than you can say orchiectomy. Much quicker. As
    in, "Frak! Gonads Gone!" And the word went out to all the Suits in
    all the smoke-free offices throughout the land of Un-
    imagination, "Starbuck is dead. Long live Stardoe!"

    I'm not sure if a cigar in the mouth of Stardoe resonates in the same
    way it did in the mouth of Starbuck. Perhaps. Perhaps it "resonates"
    more. Perhaps that's the point. I'm not sure. What I am sure of is
    this…

    Women are from Venus. Men are from Mars. Hamlet does not scan as
    Hamletta. Nor does Han Solo as Han Sally. Faceman is not the same as
    Facewoman. Nor does a Stardoe a Starbuck make. Men hand out cigars.
    Women `hand out' babies. And thus the world, for thousands of years,
    has gone round.

    I am also sure that Show Business has been morphing for many decades
    now and has finally become Biz Business. The creative artists have
    lost and the Suits have won. Suits. Administrators. Technocrats.
    Metro-sexual money-men (and women) who create formulas to guarantee
    profit margins. Because movies and television shows are not made to
    enlighten or even entertain but simply to make money. They will tell
    you it is (still) about story and character but all it is really
    about is efficiency. About The Formula. Because Harvard Business
    School Technocrats run Hollywood and what Technocrats know is what
    must be removed from all business is Risk. And I tell you life, real
    life, is all about risk. I tell you that without risk you have no
    creativity, no art. I tell you that without risk you have Remakes.
    You have Charlie's Angels, The Saint, Mission Impossible, The A-Team
    (coming soon) Battlestar Galactica. All risk-free brand names,
    franchises.

    For you see, TV Shows (and movies) are made and sold according to the
    same business formula as hamburger franchises. So that it matters not
    if the `best' hamburger, what matters is that you `think' it is the
    best. And you do think it's the best, because you have been told to;
    because all of your favourite celebrities are seen munching it on TV.
    The big money is not spent on making the hamburger or the television
    show, but on the marketing of the hamburger/show. (One 60-second
    commercial can cost more than it does to film a one-hour episode.) It
    matters not to Suits if it is Starbuck or Stardoe, if the Cylons are
    robots or lingerie models, if the show is full of optimism and
    morality or pessimism and amorality. What matters is that it is
    marketed well, so that all you people out there in TV land know that
    you must see this show. And after you see it, you are told that you
    should like it. That it is new and bold and sleek and sexy and best
    of all… it is Re-imagined!

    So grab a Coke from the fridge (not the Classic Coke, but the re-
    imagined kind with fewer calories) and send out for a McDonald's
    Hamburger (the re-imagined one with fewer carbs) and tune in to
    Stardoe and Cylon #6 (or was it #69?) and Enjoy The Show.

    And if you don't enjoy the show, or the hamburger and coke, it's not
    the fault of those re-imaginative technocrats that brought them to
    you. It is your fault. You and your individual instincts, tastes,
    judgement. Your refusal to let go of the memory of the show that once
    was. You just don't know what is good for you. But stay tuned. After
    another 13 episodes (and millions of dollar of marketing), you will
    see the light. You, your instincts, your judgement, are wrong.
    McDonald's is the best hamburger on the planet, Coca-Cola the best
    drink. Stardoe is the best Viper Pilot in the Galaxy. And Battlestar
    Galactica, contrary to what your memory tells you, never existed
    before the Re-imagination of 2003.

    I disagree. But perhaps, you had to be there.
     
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    What Dirk fails to point out is that Starbuck isn't his creation. It's Glen A. Larson's, and Larson is a consultant on the new show. Get over it, Dirk.
     
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    Galactica Renewed For Season Three

    SCI FI Channel announced that it has renewed its original series Battlestar Galactica for a third season. Production on the 20-episode order is slated to begin in Vancouver, Canada, in February 2006 for premiere later in the year, the network said.

    The entire ensemble cast returns for the new season, including Edward James Olmos, Mary McDonnell, Katee Sackhoff, Jamie Bamber, James Callis, Tricia Helfer and Grace Park. Also returning are executive producer and writer Ronald D. Moore and executive producer David Eick.

    Currently in its second season, Galactica is a hit with audiences. The second season resumes with new episodes on Jan. 6, 2006, as part of the winter premiere of SCI FI Friday. Battlestar Galactica is from NBC Universal Television Studio.
     
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    I hate this long break in the show. Friday nights have not been the same for weeks!
     
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    Season One on DVD?
     

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