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Discussion in 'MLB - Baseball Forum' started by Franchise, Feb 7, 2009.

  1. blackjackwally

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    I've wondered about Poo-holes from day one. I hope not.
     
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    Everything that I have seen says that she had only the 4 sources as her proof. Can you please post one link that says she has the report with the 104 names and/or a link where she has declined to name them.

    You have yet to have post anything remotely like that.

    She speculated that the entire list will be made public as part of a court case, not through anything she is ow will do.
     
  3. Collin

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    I gave you a link saying that she knew the names and refused to mention any besides A-Rod. That link did not quote Roberts herself saying that, but neither of us have a reason to think it was just made up. To my knowledge, Roberts has never at any point said that she doesn't know who the other names are or that she didn't have access to the list. I posted a link backing up what I said, so if you have any links backing up your claims, then feel free to post them.
     
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    I did post links that back up my claims. The SI article repeatedly says that they got the names via 4 sources, not from the list and that the list is under a court ordered seal. Roberts said on Dan Patricks show that she will protect her sources. There is also a NY Newsday article speculating who the leakers could be - I'll post that too. Roberts also confirmed the source info in her Q&A in SI addressing why ARod was "singled out."

    To my knowledge, she has not said anywhere that she or anyone else at SI has seen the list. Can you please quote the section where she was asked to name the other names and refused to do so?

    The way that I understand the sitiuation is that she came upon this info while doing the ARod book, and found out information only on him, which would make you earlier rants totally unfounded and off base.
     
  5. Collin

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    You haven't posted anything at all that backs up your claims. Nothing in anything you linked even hints at the idea that Roberts has no clue who the other 103 names are. If you have any quote from her saying that she doesn't know who the other players are, then by all means, post it now. Moreover, when asked if she would reveal those names, she did not say she didn't know who they were. You point to the 4 sources as if that's proof of what you're saying, but the 4 sources are where she got the information about who was on the list. You point out that the list is under a court ordered seal, but conveniently forget that A-Rod's name only came out because his place on that list was leaked.

    I read that Roberts knows the identities of the other 103 but chose not to reveal them because A-Rod was the subject of her story. If that's wrong then it's wrong, but you have provided absolutely nothing to suggest that it is. The fact that you even brought this up again, especially with no evidence to support your objection, shows pretty clearly that this is just about you wanting to have another fight with me, but I'm honestly not in the mood.

    Once again:
    Rotoworld: Feb. 7 - 2:57 pm et

    "SI's Selena Roberts said that she would name no other players from the list of 104 major leaguers who tested positive for steroids in 2003. Roberts said she learned of Alex Rodriguez's inclusion on the list while working on a profile of the slugger. She also stated that she traveled to Miami on Thursday to meet with Rodriguez and give him a chance to refute the story. A-Rod, though, isn't talking about the story."

    If you have a problem with that, Email your complaint to Rotoworld.
     
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    So she said she heard that ARod was on the list of 104 and verified it through source confirmations.

    She said that she would not name anyone else on the list. Could it be because she can't get confirmation of their inclusion on the list?

    She may have heard someone else was on the list, but without a confirmed source, she won't report it.

    Regardless, the story quoted above does not say that she knows or doesn't know anyone else on the list or has even seen the list.
     
  7. Collin

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    It seems like if she didn't know who was on the list, she would just say that when asked about it.
     
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    Yes, I have. The article repeated says that they learned of Arod through 4 sources, not through the list. In fact, no where have I heard anyone connected to the story mention that they have or have seen the list. I have repeatedly asked you for these quotes, but you have provided nothing so far. I am not forgetting that Arod's name was leaked, because that is what I am saying - Roberts got his name only and confirmed it through 4 sources.

    I understand that you read it that way, but there is no indication that Roberts has seen the list. You also keep referencing that she has been asked to name the other 103 players, but have so far not posted an exchange where she was asked that and then declined.

    That is a third hand account and the article that it references bluntly says that Roberts got her info from 4 sources, not that she has the list. Also, nowhere in that article does it say anything remotely like "Roberts has declined to name anyone else."
     
  10. Collin

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    The four sources are where they would have gotten the list.
    Show me anything at all that corroborates that. Anything. You have not posted one thing that supports the idea that Roberts doesn't know anyone else's name from the list, which just goes to show that this has nothing whatsoever to do with the subject and everything to do with you just having an itch to fight with me about something. This is what you do when you get bored.
     

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