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Andrew Jones Batting Average

Discussion in 'MLB - Baseball Forum' started by K-Town-Yankee, Aug 24, 2003.

  1. K-Town-Yankee

    K-Town-Yankee Full Access Member

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    Everyone has bad seasons every now and then....maybe playing with injuries or some other reason.That's why I like to look at career stats.

    Just checking some CF career batting averages:

    Andrew Jones .268
    Bernie Williams .305
    Ken Griffey Jr. .294
    Jim Edmonds .294
    Johnny Damon .285
    Carl Everette .278

    Vernon Wells CF Toronto is having a good year hitting .320 31 HR 109 RBI and they are only paying him $550,000 this year.Quite a bargain for the Blue Jays.

    Once again I'll ask is there anyone in baseball with a career batting average of .268 or lower that is making the $$$$$ that Andrew Jones is getting?His agent did a great job getting him 12.5 million a year with that career stat.
     
  2. LarryD

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    you 've really got to compare jones -- all of the statistics -- to other centerfielders. he's a five-tool player who turns that talent into very good numbers. you'd rather be playing with him than against him. so his numbers were fading a bit at the end. big deal.

    jones is like, what, 25 or 26? he was hyped up as a young guy and parlayed the braves titles and his flashes into a nice contract. the breaves payed on his potential, not what he had done up to that point. even still, he's a good value. the best value out there? i'm not sure about that. however, nobody argues that he's the greatest defensive centerfielder in the past 30 years.
     
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    vpkozel Professional Calvinballer

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    He is such a great CF defensivley that you can basically add 50 points (that's works out to only one hit a week - and i would bet he takes away much more because he plays so shallow) to his BA and 25 doubles, cause that is what he takes away from the opposition. Ask Tom Glavine how he feels about Jones defensively.
     
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    that is not true. he may very well be, but there is plenty of room for debate there.
     
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    I have seen Andrew play shallow also and rob a player of a single.By playing so shallow I have watched him also turn many singles into triples by not being able to get to a ball hit in the gap that many CF cut off.It's a two way street playing so shallow.You often get burned by not being able to cut that ball off and holding a batter to single.Yea he robs some batters of singles,but watch how many times he picks the ball up against the wall and throws to his cut off man as the batter heads for third.Hits that many CF cut off for singles.
     
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    it's pretty widely accepted that he's the best defensive CF since mays

    By Rob Neyer of ESPN.com:

    Below are my picks for the single greatest defensive players at each position...

    Center Field: Andruw Jones
    Yes, selecting Jones over Willie Mays or Curt Flood is a clear violation of the Pokey Reese rule. But Jones is just so brilliant with the glove that even should his performance drop off significantly over the second half of his career, he'd still probably rank as the best ever. Nobody gets a better jump on the ball, nobody has better instincts about when and where to dive ... and he's got a strong, accurate arm, too.

    Putouts: Another superior stat for Andruw

    Tom Candiotti:

    But with Andruw Jones, it's tough to find another center fielder in today's game who can do what he does with the glove (you probably have to go back to Willie Mays).
     
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    AVG: 275
    SLG: 515
    HR: 36
    RBI: 113

    Those are his stats going into today's game. I think many teams would settle for that.
     
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    Yea...There are some teams that will settle for a guy hitting .268 lifetime to hit in the middle of their lineup.These are teams that have never won a world championship,and the Braves are one of these teams since they have not won that championship since Andrew joined them in 1996.

    Lopez hitting .329 should be hitting 5th in that lineup.He would probably have 165 RBI's now batting behind Sheffield and C.Jones(two quality hitters).Everytime I look up Sheffield is on 3rd and C.Jones is on 2nd with Andrew at the plate.

    The last time I looked Andrew was batting .232 with 2 outs and runners in scoring position.Imagine the RBI"s he would have if he were hitting .300 this year or .329 like Lopez.Bobby should move Lopez up and drop Andrew in the order,but I doubt Cox will pull the string.It should have been done two months ago.
     
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    theres this thing called consistency. not talking about consistency at the plate here, but in the batting order. yes, javy's #'s would have been even more impressive in the 5 hole, but whos to say that wouldn't screw up the whole lineup? a consistent winning batting order is huge. besides, ever thought maybe javy is more comfy further down? andruw plays every day and he is in the lineup every day unlike javy. thats why they don't move javy up in my opinion. to keep the top and middle part of the order the same day in, day out. ever notice how when derosa plays short he bats lead-off? he fills in at 2nd for giles and bats in the 2hole. when he fills in for vinny at 3rd he bats 7 or 8. cox is keeping the order the same even when he rests a guy. whos to argue, what with the #'s that offense has put up this year?


    and back to andruw. k-town, obviously you are huge fan of offense. his defense alone easily makes up for the lower average. then you throw in the power #'s this year and he's well worth the checks he is cashing.
     
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    Andrew again comes up big in the post season.1-17..... .059 batting average...What a joke.Cox panics after losing game one and drops Andrew in the batting order.So much for all that consistency all year long.That move should have been made around the all star break.Real smart move Cox.

    Once again the Braves flop in the playoffs...against the team with the worst record in the playoffs...the cubbies.The Buffalo Bills of baseball do it again.It's time for your favorite phrase again Braves fans....."Wait til next year."
     

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