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Allah or Jesus?

Discussion in 'Religion & Spirituality Forum' started by WilliamJ, Feb 15, 2005.

  1. WilliamJ

    WilliamJ SUPERMOD

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    The Muslim religion in the fastest growing
    religion per capita in the United States,
    especially in the minority races!!!

    Allah or Jesus?
    by Rick Mathes

    Last month I attended my annual training session
    that's required for maintaining my state prison
    security clearance During the training session
    there was a presentation by three speakers
    representing the Roman Catholic, Protestant and
    Muslim faiths, who explained each of their belief
    systems.

    I was particularly interested in what the Islamic
    Imam had to say. The Imam gave a great presentation
    of the basics of Islam, complete with a video.
    After the presentations, time was provided for
    questions and answers.

    When it was my turn, I directed my question to the
    Imam and asked: "Please, correct me if I'm wrong,
    but I understand that most Imams and clerics of
    Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war]against
    the infidels of the world. And, that by killing an
    infidel, which is a command to all Muslims, they are
    assured of a place in heaven. If that's the case,
    can you give me the definition of an infidel?"

    There was no disagreement with my statements and,
    without hesitation, he replied, "Non-believers!"

    I responded, "So, let me make sure I have this
    straight. All followers of Allah have been commanded
    to kill everyone who is not of your faith so they
    can go to Heaven. Is that correct?"

    The _expression on his face changed from one of
    authority and command to that of a little boy who
    had just gotten caught with his hand in the cookie
    jar. He sheepishly replied, "Yes."

    I then stated, "Well, sir, I have a real problem
    trying to imagine Pope John Paul commanding all
    Catholics to kill those of your faith or Dr. Stanley
    ordering Protestants to do the same in order to go
    to Heaven!"

    The Imam was speechless.

    I continued, "I also have problem with being your
    friend when you and your brother clerics are telling
    your followers to kill me. Let me ask you a question.
    Would you rather have your Allah who tells you to
    kill me in order to go to Heaven or my Jesus who
    tells me to love you because I am going to Heaven
    and He wants you to be with me?"

    You could have heard a pin drop as the Imam hung his
    head in shame. Needless to say, the organizers
    and /or promoters of the 'Diversification' training
    seminar were not happy with Rick's way of dealing
    with the Islamic Imam and exposing the truth about
    the Muslim's beliefs.

    I think everyone in the US should be required to
    read this, but with the liberal justice system,
    liberal media, and the ACLU, there is no way this
    will be widely publicized.

    Please pass this on to all your e-mail contacts.

    This is a true story and the author, Rick Mathes,
    is a well known leader in prison ministry.
     
  2. kshead

    kshead What's the spread?

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    Regardless of whether or not that guy was leader of Islam one person can not answer for a whole religion. I do however think the questions are valid and that an answer would a nice thing to have. The debunking article notes that many muslims reject the notion that they should kill non-believers but it remains true that a sizable portion of muslims do embrace that sort of belief. I am not sure how large this portion is but it seems that the portion that rejects that idea should be willing to seperate themselves from the portion that accepts it and further more publicly condemn this notion. If this has happened it has not gotten much press.
     
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    kshead What's the spread?

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    It's the liberal conspiracy working.

    If the press would tell you about it, then we wouldn't be lulled into a false sense of security that allows the terrorists and liberals to take over.

    Duh.
     
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    vpkozel Professional Calvinballer

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    Muslims do not consider Christians or Jews to be non-believers, so whoever wrote this is a fucking idiot.
     
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    There is an obvious divide among muslims. One group is comprised of those who wish to oppress others by the use of violence and includes those who support that notion or are apathetic about it. The other group is comprised of those who are truly "peace loving" and who not only do not condone the violence but hate it. The second group needs to seperate itself from the first group in a public way. Cleric who are leaders in that second group need to publicly denounce terrorism and denonce by name its leaders such as Bin Laden and Zaraqwi.
     
  7. ECILAM

    ECILAM Celebrate Diversity

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    There's a million of 'em. And they send all their B.S. propaganda messages to Dad, who forwards them to everyone, including me.


















    I'm only slightly exaggerating.
     
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    To be more correct the title of the article should have been Muhammad or Jesus?

    Allah is the same God Christian's worship. Muhammad is the messenger, like Jebus.
     
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    ECILAM Celebrate Diversity

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    He is the "God of Abraham," which also makes Him the God of the Jews.
     
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    Muslims may feel that Allah is the same as the God christians worship but I do not think christians feel that way nor do jews. Apart from all that do they feel it is ok to kill Hindus or Buddhists or atheists?
     

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