add these to the list of future panthers...

This would actually be a good fit for Davis. The way we love to pound the run fits his skill set nicely. If we could show him that we are intent on acquiring offensive weapons to surround him with, I don't see why not. Remember, last year, Davis had his best year with an offense similiar to what we have now. With Tony Banks as QB and Westbrook as #1 WR. Bout the equivalent of Peete at QB and Moose at WR, don't you think? Only thing is, we'd have to get some more beef on the o-line to help him out. The issue I see with Davis is how much is he going to cost us. Also, although he has been durable so far, he has taken a real beating due to his running style throughout his career. How many good years can he possibly have left? 2 or 3? What kind of contract (most notably signing bonus) will he command? If he wants a monster signing bonus, I'd have to pass. That kind of contract can prove to be a cap killer 3 years down the road when he is limping around the field all washed up.

 

Re: Re: add these to the list of future panthers...

Because it's better than going to NO. Hell, you migrated here.

 

Geez I go to sleep and this thread takes off

 

Re: Re: Re: add these to the list of future panthers...

true, almost entirely because he'd start here and not there. And he's local. But he'd also certainly prefer a team that doesn't suck.

 

I started to agree with you there, Larry, but on second thought, I don't think Fox will play that 'D. COY' crap. I think he'd nip that in the bud real quick. Besides, Moose doesn't have the capital to spend on crap like that anymore. Neither does Walls, which is why he's been relatively quiet this year.

Personally, I think Fox ought to put together a tape of all Moose's drops from this year and make him watch it. Then restructure his contract.

 

better yet, just cut him and save the production cost for making a videotape. oh yeah, and millions of dollars.

just get someone in who is still hungry. moose doesn't look hungry.

he needs a new place to call home and a new team to give him a huge paycheck.

 

That's what I'm trying to say. I think all he needs is an attitude adjustment. Show him all his drops from this year (last year, too), restructure his contract to a more reasonable level, demote his butt to #2, and make him earn his way back to #1. I think he'd respond. I really do. And we save the cap hit of cutting him. Plus, we're saved the expense of signing 2 new starting WR's. I'd rather spend the dollars to get a true #1 and demote Moose than cut Moose and sign two mid-level FA's. We're just getting out of cap hell. We don't want to go back before we clear the outer wall.

 

demote moose?

he's a cocky nfl receiver. you don't demote those guys without knowing that you're pouring lighter fluid on a fire. he doesn't think of himself as a no. 2 receiver. never has. these guys don't need motivation like that. it's not college ball. their motivation should come from within. his comes from his paycheck.

i mean, if you keep screwing up at your job and you're getting paid a ton of money -- don't you have to know that if the shit hits the fan, you're a prime candidate to get the axe? moose isn't fast and he drops passes -- key ones at that. nfl "stars" don't do demotions. these guys aren't 19 year old college students.

 

I hear you, Larry, and I guess you're probably right. I just think it's worth a shot to try to fix what's wrong in his head before making the franchise take it in the shorts by cutting him.

But I definitely see your point about professionals vs. amateurs. Maybe I'm still naive enough to think Moose is a good receiver who's been playing bad, admittedly for a very long time. As long as I still believe that, I still believe he can be 'fixed'.

Then again, maybe too much water has passed under this bridge.

He'll be a #2 somewhere next year, whether it's here or somewhere else. He hasn't played well enough in 2 years to earn a #1 spot anywhere else, except maybe in Cinci.

 

Robinson has a LONG injury history and has had reoccuring back spasms for the last three years, this year withstanding.

WR
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UFA-upper tier

David Boston - Too expensive Peerless Price - YES!
Ike Hilliard - Short term Eddie Kennison - No!
Kevin Dyson - In a pinch! Oronde Gadsden - Posession
Martay Jenkins - More of a #3

UFA-the rest

Reggie Barlow - inconsistent Chris Carter - CANCER!
Darrin Chiaverini - Jeffers-like Demeane Douglas - Who?
Bobby Engram - Too old Brian Finneran - Improving!
Antonio Freeman - CANCER! Willie Jackson - Yes
Patrick Johnson - inconsistent Kevin Lockett - indifferent
Terrance Mathis - too old Herman Moore - Dead?
Ricky Proehl - too old Jake Reed - too old
Frank Sanders - short term Darnay Scott - NO!
Bobby Shaw - SUCKS Brandon Stokley - Sure!
Derrius Thompson - Hooty? Michael Westbrook - NO!

RFA

Laveranues Coles - YES! Darrell Jackson - STUD!
Dez White - NO! Karsten Bailey - worth a look
Avion Black - needs more time Chris Cole - Who?
JaJuan Dawson - inconsistent Ron Dixon - indifferent
Chris Doering - #3 Ron Duggans - Bengal=No!
Danny Farmer - Jeffers-like Larry Foster - needs time
Trevor Gaylor - YES! Dante Hall - needs time
Scottie Montgomery - should have kept him in the first place!!!
Troy Walters - NO!

Possible Cuts

Raghib Ismail - indifferent Shawn Jefferson - OK!
Derrick Alexander - LAZY! Jermaine Lewis - #3
James Williams - Who?

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RB's

UFA-upper tier

Olandis Gary - YES! Stacey Mack - PLEASE!
Ricky Watters - Hell NO! Leon Johnson - underrated
Richie Anderson - rarely a HB Shawn Bryson - injuries

UFA-the rest

Mike Cloud - Pass! James Johnson - na!
Randy Jordan - inifferent Dorsey Levens - glue factory
Fred McAfee - Worth considering Brian Mitchell - see Levens
Lamont Warren - Yes! Tyrone Wheatley - no thanks
Moe Williams - underrated

RFA

Troy Hambrick - Yes! Jamel White - YES!
Ronney Jenkins - na Chad Morton - indifferent Mike Green - pass Doug Chapman - worth a look
KaRon Coleman - Who? Curtis Keaton - splinter butt!
Patrick Pass - worth a look Aaron Stecker - nope
Michael Wiley - Yes

Possible Cuts

Stephen Davis - Don't waste any time get it DONE!
Emmitt Smith - gummer
Antowain Smith - inconsistent

Take your pick boys........