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Adam & Eve

Discussion in 'Religion & Spirituality Forum' started by Ice Man, Jun 16, 2005.

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  1. Aug 11, 2005 at 8:35 PM #71
    curly

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    the potential for sin through our free will is different than the creation of sin by God.
     
  2. Aug 11, 2005 at 9:05 PM #72
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    I disagree with this strongly. Sin requires knowledge that what you are doing is wrong.
     
  3. Aug 12, 2005 at 9:26 AM #73
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    I'm saying that Adam knew what he was doing was wrong when he ate. He did it of his own free will. He sinned and sin entered through him.

    Yes, I know Eve ate first, but she was deceived, Adam rebelled.
     
  4. Aug 12, 2005 at 9:30 AM #74
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    Then I don't understand your post that I responded to. Eve was also told eating the apple was wrong. She knew it was wrong and therefor it was a sin. Had she not known, it would not have been a sin. However, the possibility was always there for her to eat the apple so the possibility for sin always existed. It just didn't become reality until man was aware their actions were wrong.
     
  5. Aug 12, 2005 at 1:48 PM #75
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    Indeed. God didn't "create sin", only the potential for it. In order to "create" sin, He would have to have forced someone to disobey Him.
     
  6. Aug 12, 2005 at 1:53 PM #76
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    :agreed:
     
  7. Aug 12, 2005 at 7:16 PM #77
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    I agree! Maybe I misunderstood Sly in the 6th post where he said that he believed that sin had always been here. Going back and reading it again he says sin had always been here "in a way".

    Maybe we are saying the same thing, but for the record I believe the bible teaches that there was a garden of Eden, and there was no sin in the world before Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit.
     
  8. Aug 12, 2005 at 8:39 PM #78
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    Isaiah 45:7
    I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
     
  9. Aug 13, 2005 at 4:04 AM #79
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    "But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, so that he would not let the children of Israel go" - according to Exodus.
     
  10. Aug 13, 2005 at 6:41 AM #80
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    In Hebrew, the verb tense can be causitive(sp?) or permissive. We don't have this in English. The word "create" in the Permissive tense could mean that God "allowed" it.
     
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