Abortion and politics

how can you guarantee that he doesn't sign the bill? you're speaking from a biased point of view. I understand that, but you have to see that somewhat. if three existed. ProLife, ProChoice (which I will call the middle ground), and I'll call the 3rd ProDeath cause basically that's what that is, well if he'd choose the ProDeath I'd do everything in my power to make sure he was removed from Office, but right now there is no way to make three choices its either you allow all abortion or none. There unfortunatley isn't a you can allow some abortion. There should be and until someone finds a way to make that a reality you have to allow all. If you had an 11 year old daughter and she was raped wouldn't you want her to have the chance for an abortion? ProLife says that's not allowed. So like it or not in those cases you HAVE to be ProChoice.

 

So you have to agree for abortion for birth control if you want it for rape cases? I do not agree with that.

Kerry is, using your words, pro-death. He wants it legal in all cases. I could not find a direct quote but if you look at his voting record and the ratings he gets from pro-abortion groups it is obvious where he stands.

 

See that's the thing. You can't judge his voting record. All the laws are considered ProLife or ProChoice. There is no middle ground. So how can you say he's one way or the other? And really I don't WANT to agree with abortion for birth control but because of the possibility of rape etc. I have no choice. That's why I wish there'd be a middle ground choice introduced. But you never answered my question. What would you think if your 11 year old daughter were raped and was pregnant. And because of her age she was high risk of dying from the pregnancy. ProLife says she should attempt to birth it even at the risk of her life. ProChoice says she has the ability to terminate the pregnancy. Which would you choose?

 

You do not have to be pro-life to be anti-abortion.

 

Thanks to whoever seperated this out from the previous thread. I was feeling bad about messing it up before.

 

Agreed, thank you

 

I doubt I could bring myself to support killing the baby even if it was going to be the rape baby of my 11 year old. I could respect someone who had a differnet take on that though.

The thing is that the pro abortion movement is not fighting to keep abortion legal in rape cases. They want it legal in all cases. They give high marks to Kerry.

I guarantee you if a bill was signed to end abortion as a birth control measure (and allowed for rape, incest, life in danger exceptions) Kerry would oppose it.

 

See I think that's where you might be wrong. I think a LOT of members that were considered ProLife and a lot considered ProChoice would move to this group.

 

I have always considered your position to be part of the "pro-life" position. Your position is infact the same position that Bush 41 held if I remember correctly.

To me if Kerry and other dems really wanted to stop abortions use as birth control they would submit a bill that does that while protecting the excepts you hold dear. They would be able to get it passed in a heartbeat cause no republican is going to oppose a bill like that.

 

Supports GOP abortion plank but disagrees on exceptions
McCAIN [to Bush]: Do you believe in the exemption, in the case of abortion, for rape, incest, and life of the mother?
BUSH: Yeah, I do.
McCain: [But you] support the pro-life plank [in the Republican Party platform]?
BUSH: I do.
McCAIN: So, in other words, your position is that you believe there’s an exemption for rape, incest and the life of the mother, but you want the platform that you’re supposed to be leading to have no exemption. Help me out there, will you?
BUSH: I will. The platform doesn’t talk about what specifically should be in the constitutional amendment. The platform speaks about a constitutional amendment. It doesn’t refer to how that constitutional amendment ought to be defined.
McCAIN: If you read the platform, it has no exceptions.
BUSH: John, I think we need to keep the platform the way it is. This is a pro-life party.
McCAIN: Then you are contradicting your platform.
Source: GOP Debate on the Larry King Show Feb 15, 2000

Bush opposes abortion except in cases of rape, incest or to save the mother’s life. He’ll try to seem non-threatening, respecting others’ views without backing off his long-held “pro-life” position. He previously had said he would not demand that his Supreme Court nominees be anti-abortion. It’s even conceivable he’ll choose a running mate who supports abortion rights, Bush said. “I’m going to talk about the culture of life,” he continued. “I’ve set the goal that every child born and unborn ought to be protected. But I recognize [that many] people don’t necessarily agree with the goal. People appreciate somebody who sets a tone, a tone that values life, but recognizes that people disagree.“ He pointed out that those gun-toting killers at Columbine High School did not value life; they ”devalued“ it.
Source: George Skelton, Los Angeles Times Jun 5, 2000