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Discussion in 'Carolina Panthers' started by Cyberjag, Jan 3, 2025.

  1. stirs

    stirs Full Access Member

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    From some guy in his Moms basement?

     
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    With our 2nd round pick getting worse with each Rams win, and with the possibility that Graham will be gone, are you guys opposed to a trade down to possibly pick up an add'l 2nd rounder?
     
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    Getting another second round pick is almost fantasy. Here's a breakdown.

    Back when Fitterer was running the draft, he traded a ton and it was pretty obvious that his frame of reference was the Rich Hill draft value chart. Let's assume Morgan uses the same one, except when a team like the Rams grossly overpays to trade up. Most times when two teams trade in the draft they try and use the same chart and make the points even. The exceptions are when one team REALLY wants to trade, and then you get extras thrown in. This generally happens for Quarterbacks, but rarely for other players.

    So, if that's the case, then our pick is worth 406 points. Here is what we might get for it (pick values in parentheses).

    New Orleans - 9 (387), 128 (19). The math checks out nicely, but trades within divisions are rare, and 128 is a 4th round pick anyway.

    Chicago - 10 (369), 72 (67), we need to give them back 30 points to make this work, so we would probably send them 110 (29). Again, we get a third and lose a fourth, no second. This one could actually materialize if the Bears REALLY want their pick of the Offensive Tackles.

    San Francisco - 11 (358), 112 (28), 137 (16), 227 (3). This wouldn't be terrible if it happened, because we need depth. But their biggest need is an edge rusher, although they do need a tackle as well.

    Dallas - 12 (347), 76 (61). Another third round pick. Yay!?

    Miami - 13 (336), 98 (37), 99 (36), 149 (12), we send 140 (15) back to them to make the math work. Still getting third round picks, but at least there are two of them. Miami needs help in the secondary and at Tackle.

    Indianapolis - 14 (325), 81 (55), 116 (25). They don't need anything that merits trading up, unless they get stupid about Jalen Milroe or another quarterback.

    Atlanta - 15 (315), 46 (128). We would send them 113 (27) and 163 (10) to make the math work. We're finally in the second round, but it costs us a pick and it also won't happen because division rivals.

    Arizona - 16 (305), 47 (124). We send 145 (13) and 163 (10) back. Again, we lose a pick. Arizona needs defense though, and we would be better served making the pick ourselves.

    Cincinnati - 17 (296), 49 (118), 80 (56), we send 74 (64) back to them. This one doesn't suck, because we gain a pick including a second. But their needs are like ours, so probably better to just make the pick again.

    Seattle - 18 (287), 50 (115), 210 (4). They need a tackle, so this is somewhat plausible. We get a second round pick and a late sixth.

    The rest are playoff teams, but you get the idea. We need a trading partner who has a reason to move up and who will give us fair value. I don't think we trade down, but if we do I bet it's with either Chicago or maybe San Francisco. But at eight we have a shot at a difference maker, while past 11 or 12 we're just getting good players.
     
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    My two thoughts, and I appreciate your efforts in the reply.

    1. Chicago. Maybe our trade with them can help us switch 2nd rounders as they have a couple. Picking at 41 is much better for a playmaker than 57 or wherever the Rams leave us. With the pick at 10, we might be able to get Mykel Williams.
    2. Seattle. This would change up my draft most likely to take someone like TE Warren from Penn State, then fill in defense with the 2 2nd rounders.

    Afraid after the 2nd, the percentage of playmakers diminishes quite a bit.
     

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