NFC contender QB coaches

Evil only works if you find it relevant. Position coaches are valuable in all areas for a plethora of reasons. But the QB position is completely different in one vital area, leadership. The QB is in the very least a purely managerial position in this era of the NFL. And the required leadership intangible is a tricky quality that can come and go with ease. Some guys may not ever need help in that arena. To me, guys like Brady and Peyton Manning appear to be self motivating leaders that need little assitance. Brady has a position coach with much the same credentials as McCoy, some wet behind the ears kid. Manning has a crusty old veteran coach from the college ranks that may or may not be an asset. Hard too tell.

But in the case of this team, Delhomme is a different animal. He is a leader, but I think it is more of the case of the accidental leader. He does not shy away from the job at all. But just by being a student of his body language and onfield tantrums over the past couple of years it is obvious he needs a stable voice in his head during the course of a game. Maybe we are missing Rodney 'Cool Hand' Peete a little in regard to having that crusty old veteran giving him attaboys at the right time. I am not sure, but to just outright discount the value proposition of a QB position coach here Collin is nothing less than some sort of predisposition about said job function that probably requires some level of analysis that cannot be provided on this forum...

 

Dude, explain to me how one third = 15%. I'm interested in hearing your explanation to that, as well as elaboration on how I somehow went around to all NFL team sites and wrote those bios just so they would make you look bad when you're actually right.

No, you're incorrect. A person doesn't reach full physical maturity until their early to mid twenties.

As for the rest...

You seem to be suggesting that Jake could use a psychiatrist, and I wouldn't particularly argue with that. Someone reminding him to keep his composure seems quite a bit different from someone teaching him to be a better quarterback. And as for the rest, my position on coaching in general at the professional level is known. I'm far from the only one propsing this idea either, as there is a growing movement that professional athletes may be commanded (schematically and behaviorally) but rarely taught, more because of their levels of physical and mental development than the oft-cited excuse that players won't listen because they make more than their coaches. It's certainly no secret that far less teaching actually goes on at the professional level than at the high school or college levels, and that very rarely is effort expended on attempting to teach veterans new ways to perform (other than teaching them a new scheme and responsibilities). I suspect that this difference between the professional and amateur levels is because teams know from experience that trying to change grown men is an exercise in futility.

 

WOW...just WOW...

 

I don't know about 1/3 = 15%. What I'm saying is that your "vast majority" would equal 80-85%. So if you can show me that a plurality, much less a vast majority of 25 teams have QBs coaches that don't actually coach quarterbacks, then you're right.

You didn't write them, and they don't actually make me look bad. But you certainly interpreted them with the same predetermined bias that also wrongly stated that "the majority of NFL head coaches don't feel the need for a QBs coach." Your "proof" was listing who was an NFL quarterbacks coach and then stating your findings. Your criteria seems to be whether a coach is listed as being stated in the bio that "so and so works with the quarterbacks." So Brian Schottenheimer doesn't work with QBs?

You discount some of the more qualified QBs coaches by stating that they're simply failures at a higher level, when it obviously shows that this position is a very critical one to a large number of teams. Sam Wyche isn't going to come back to the league to be Tom Clements' coffee boy. Paul Hackett's too damn old to be a tape lackey - and guess what? They have three offensive assistants. Hell, Jim Zorn has more pull on the Seattle offense than does Gil Haskell - just as Musgrave had more pull than Haskell. Even some of the bottom dwellers have big resumes - Mike Kruczek? Shit, that's nobody. Hell, he's only got two years pro experience, right? But he was coaching QBs for FSU, he was UCF's OC, he was UCF's head coach.
RIp Scherer? First year. Well, hell, he's just cleaning up staples from desks and wiping Crennel's ass, right? Coordinator at Southern Miss before that, and either HC, OC, or QBs coach at every college stop from 2004 back to 1976 at NCSU.

For every Mike McCoy or Mark Roman, there just happens to be a lot more former major college coaches, former head coaches, and future head coaches.

yes, they work with the OC. Guess what? So do WRs coaches. You don't think line coaches, RBs coaches, TEs coaches work together? Some of those guys, like Jim Caldwell, did work as other offensive position coaches to move up. Andy Reid certainly wouldn't take a demotion from a legit TEs coach position (where he coached Pro Bowlers) to being Holmgren's gopher as a QBs coach.

Keeping up with the NFL coaching circles beyond some argument, I know that's not how things are. Some do this, but it's a vast majority about as much as the statement about there not being a QBs coach on these teams at all.

Allright. So let's pretend that playing NFL quarterback is an inherent, learned behavior that's neither lost nor tweakable. You're saying that once they get out of college, they can't be coached? Their every move as a quarterback is set in stone from that day on? I don't believe that.

Jake looked changed in the Buffalo game, for better or worse. He looked changed after Oakland last year. You can coach better play out of professional players.

 

It is very difficult, but it is done regularly.

This is the more important part of the equation. Henning's control of the QB coaching, or his possible need to feel in charge of it. I'd love to hear what's actually going on between Henning and Jake. Is Henning providing quality instruction and Jake's just not getting it? Is Henning not paying that much attention to QB coaching and letting the role get neglected? Who knows. All we see are the results.

 

Actually I was suggesting you could use one, or at least an anger management therapist. But I digress

Listen Collin, there are people who very eloquently claim that NASA faked the moon landings and that the Holocaust was nothing more than a Jewish ruse to get sympathy and power. They make these claims with such confidence and command of language that it just seems like they are right. But at the end of the day they are just simply full of shit.

A couple of weeks ago Parcells hangs a bunch of rats from the ceiling in the locker room before the Lions game as some metaphor to trap games. Why did he do that to a bunch of guys that make more money? Is he senile? Perhaps Bill Parcells is just another coaching hack that does not live up to the level of Collin...Serious question, are you John Clayton?

So I am going to take a wild guess that while you do have an excellent technical knowledge of the game, you have extracted most of your opinions about the sport from the Oliver Stone school of professional athetics. Do you just sit around each day and study game tape and then cap off each day with a screening of Any Given Sunday?

I will grant that there is a lot of non-teaching that happens at the pro levels. Shit, it happens at the college ranks and in some northern California prep schools I have experianced in the past, kids are simply expected to be great and uncoached as well. There are a good number of coaches who are more like baseball managers and just sit in an office and create schemes. And I am thinking you could find failure being a recuring theme among many of them. Sorry Mags, but Siefert comes to mind here.

But there is another good percentage of coaches who do teach. The aforementioned Parcells, Gruden, Shanahan and I based on what I can see and hear, Fox does as well.

And while middle aged learning abilities was not my point, I will say that people can learn at any age. it is a wives tail of the apathetic and complacent in this world that claim otherwise. The day you stop learning, or rather become unteachable no matter if you are a football player or court stenographer is in IMHFO the day society no longer needs you.....

 

no fucking doubt. i think with a little professional help he may even get laid.

 

our qb coach is henning.