Sorry folks, but Moose is expendable.

Yeah, I wonder if Pittsburgh thinks Hines Ward is expendable. That's really the closest comparison I can think of for Moose. They are easily the 2 best blockers and most physical WRs in the league.

 

He did, a few. And he had 3 catches/game. He was supposed to replace Moose, and he couldn't even pace him. Colbert didn't get anywhere near making the plays Muhammad did. He had good numbers for a rook, but not good numbers for a starter. And nobody gives out free passes for a guy suiting up just because he's not older.

Yeah, Smith is. We didn't have to have him, he was never going to come up with 90 receptions again, using this logic. The fun thing is, we didn't pay Smith because he had x of this or that, we paid him expecting plays. And when he's healthy, he'll give us plays, just as will Muhammad.

No disrespect, but that's a loser's mentality to handling the situation. Maybe not a losing mentality, but certainly a resigned mentality that says "we'll give it our best try, but...".
You find a way to get a reasonable deal done, and you seek out creative ways to get him to return that won't hurt you 5 years down the line. You expect yourself to draft a RT, so you're not paying $4 million a year to a guy who'll get more TE help than he'll need anyway, and you find the best veterans to pepper the mistake-ridden parts of our youth.

 

Dude, I rebutted it. You just don't want to buy it. Because, like many, you hate Henning and want him outta here. It's called an agenda. Nevermind that his offense almost single-handedly beat the Pats in the SB. (and don't feed me this line of shit that the whole second half of that game were a bunch of 'check with me's' form Delhomme. As an OC, you develop the no huddle for the offense. Give Dan some credit for that.)

You feel how you feel. And that's fine. But Henning does not weat down his backs, and that's a fact.

 

Yeah, I mean they're a running offense, they have Randle-El, they really don't need Hines Ward, and he's been around a few years so he's expendable. Greedy cocksuckers.

 

I like Moose alot but I don't want to cripple the team financially to retain his services. He is 32 and is not a speed guy. make a fair offer and let him decide if he wants to stay

 

hate? you rebutted it? You didn't have shit for it. We showed how backs routinely get 30 carries and have a number of injuries that were never a problem before. I showed how the teams with the most carries didn't have the backs with the most carries (which means good planning), and the two that did coincide the top 10 carry RB with the top 10 carry offense didn't run their RBs 30x a game but once, maybe twice in a season at most, and only with a small lead to milk.

There was a rebuttal for that? I'd love to see it, and I'd love for it not to be some sort of half-assed off-topic "well, no, this is what you really think".

 

Hey, man, i'm with you on being creative. And I never said that Moose should out and out be cut. I said he is expendable. He can be replaced.

And I don't think that the possible departure of Moose would be well served through the draft. That's why you go get a vet, if Moose does hit the road.

The team holds the cards on this one, but only to a certain degree. Moose's unexpected productivity gives him extra bargaining power here, and it may put him in another city.

I don't have a losing mentality. I am a realist. And I realize that our $100 Million defensive line is a big part of the reason that afforing to keep Moose is even a question. We tied up a lot of money on that line. We gave Jake a big contract, as well as Smith. I, personally, see Smith as a more dynamic player (WR, KR, PR) that Moose. Moose had a great year, but only because Smith was hurt.

 

Well, no one's on center. Everyone's pessimist or optimist. Realist is just a way to prop yourself as right when it's just opinion.

But I noted losing mentality because it's like running a draw so you can have that punt five more yards downfield - you're saying that you hope the team gives it the old college try instead of being resolute that this is something that should happen. The difference is simply effort, and that's the biggest difference between 1/6/2002 and 2/1/2004.

Oh, and whatever you do, don't tell me what I think. That's just a good way to be told you're wrong.

 

Pay the man, no excuses. If the Falcons and Colts can tie most of their cap money into one player, we can afford to pay Moose.

 

Here's your rebuttal, again.

Since 2002, the only back that it can be argued that Henning "wore down" was Davis. And, to me, it was worth the wear and tear. 1444 yards. NFC Title of which he was a key component.

He didn't wear down Lamar Smith.

Nor Dee Brown.

Nor Nick Goings.

Nor Deshaun Foster.

Nor Brad Hoover.

In his time with the Jets, he didn't "wear down" Martin.

In his time with the Giants, he didn't wear down his backs.

In his time with the Skins, he didn't wear down his backs.

That's all I've got for a rebuttal. What's more, it's all I need for a rebuttal.

We may run the ball a lot, but we dont destroy our backs as a result.