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Making the push

Discussion in 'Carolina Panthers' started by Purrsy, Dec 3, 2013.

  1. Ted Striker

    Ted Striker ... over Macho Grande

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    You need to seek mental help. Its a football message board that you are not even a mod or anything on. (imagine if he was a mod or admin....) A thread from April 2012 with a slight nuance that may or may not prove this guy is an alt.

    Really its pathetic that you have time and the desire to do that kind of shit. For fucks sake man, go get laid. Hell, even Purssy got laid. Ok, maybe its a dude but he got laid.
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  2. Purrsy

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    So I'm too lazy to do anything other than bring up the first highlights from our last game. Lets see here...

    Panthers vs. Buccaneers Highlights

    At the 1:26 mark, it's clear. He connects with Smitty on a slant.

    He also does on the LaFell TD as well, though not as much as you'd like. Glennon has about the same footwork when he throws, btw. It's not a clear step in as much as a quick set and plant.

    You're right in saying he trusts his arm too much to where he gets lazy....there's no denying that. But it gets to be too much when we see people asserting that he never does.
     
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    WAS a dude.....was.
     
  4. Collin

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    0:38: Back foot, and this one is particularly inexcusable because there is no pressure in front of him. He doesn't step into the throw because Cam doesn't step into his throws. You suggesting that he does step into it here indicates that you don't really know what proper throwing mechanics look like.

    1:26 That one is better, but do you notice the stiff front leg? That keeps the hips from rotating and limits weight transfer.

    2:39 This one is completely off the back foot, but excusable because the pocket is collapsing. Holy shit this offensive line is terrible. Bell gets beaten badly, Chandler is getting driven straight back, and even Gross is a little slow.

    3:00 Similar to 1:26 in that it's almost there, but Cam is still throwing with a stiff front leg that prevents him from completing the weight transfer and you can clearly see his upper body finish between the back and front legs instead of over the front leg.

    Also, who is the idiot doing these highlights? He's terrible and he doesn't know what the pistol formation actually is.

    lolno. Notice at 2:18 how Glennon begins his motion with the weight on his back foot, then opens the hips and transfers to the front foot? He does over-rotate because he's trying to throw as hard as he can, but the front leg isn't stiff and he ends up over it. With a proper throwing motion the quarterback should end with the front foot pointing at the target, the torso and shoulders pointing there as well, and the upper body positioned over the front foot. Most of the time when Cam throws his body is over his back foot, but even at 1:26 he doesn't come completely forward because the front leg is locked. That's generally called "throwing against your body." The amazing thing is that Cam can throw with as much velocity as he does while getting virtually nothing from his lower body, so if he used proper throwing mechanics and completed a weight transfer with correct footwork and hip rotation he'd see even more zip on those passes along with greater accuracy.


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    And please don't quote Striker. It's way more funny to see him posting in one thread after another because I have him on ignore.
     
  5. Purrsy

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    LOL!

    When I have time I will give you the respect of looking at the video again - Im in and out of the booth today, so I will catch it as soon as I can.

    Hey. You asked for one clip. I supplied it.

    And why on earth would you have Ted on ignore. Is he worth that trouble? Think of this....he used to be your biggest supporter. xD

    I'm going to go to the points you talked about though and look. If you're right, you're right. Also, at 38 I never said he stepped into his throw. I set he sets. However, Ill go look at it again. I went through it quick.


    EDIT - at 38 he absolutely does NOT throw off the back foot. He sets, but doesn't step into it. Give me a few mins to check all this out. Doing a few things at once, here.

    EDIT 2 - at 3 he's on a rollout, and he sets poorly. Yes, his leg is stiff, and he sidearms this more than anything, and Revis damn near picks it. Smith is falling too, which didn't help. I attribute this more to feeling the pressure falling into him and trying to get the ball off. Obviously, we can nit pick things to death, but no mechanics are perfect every play in the heat of battle.

    The 218 mark with Glennon is not a good example of how a QB should throw the ball. He steps into it yeah, but I think it's more because he's hopping and skipping forward because he's feeling heat more than stepping into it, and he winds up and his release is over his entire skull, and the ball is a lame heave, and ultimately short and INT'd.

    Watch Glennon in other highlights. He sets and BOOM, throws while never truly planting.

    Cam throws off the back foot plenty. His weight will be on his back foot rather than the front, and his aim will be poor.

    He also throws a lot off a sloppy set, which he does here. But he plants as well. He posts his foot and his motion is sound, and he's very accurate.

    I'm not defending his mechanics, here. He's driven me batshit crazy this year. But you asked for a single example, and I provided it, but the point of this isn't to show that he can. It was obvious. He's not as bad as we believe he is sometimes I don't think, and he's probably not as good as some want either.
     
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  6. Collin

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    Yeah, I should have done so earlier to explain what I'm talking about regarding Cam's throwing mechanics. You've been making good posts lately.

    No, you only think that because he gave you shit when you argued with me. Striker always trolled me. The only thing he wants is a reaction, so ignoring him is funny because it denies what he wants and makes him go crazy.

    Ok, but I was getting bashed by magnus' alt for saying that he doesn't step into his throws.
     
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  7. Collin

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    I think we're at odds here because you're not really familiar with throwing mechanics and terminology. "Throwing off the back foot" refers to the passers' body weight and thus center of mass staying back and not transferring forward upon release. It doesn't matter if he shuffles his feet or jumps up in the air during the throw, it's still considered "throwing off the back foot" if the weight stays back. Cam's back foot does come off the ground, but it'll actually help you to ignore his lower body momentarily and focus on the upper body. Notice that the upper body on 0;38 doesn't come forward at all. The weight stays back on that throw whereas it should come forward. In 1:26 and 3:00, Cam does shift his weight forward but not completely because of a stiff front leg that limits his hip rotation.
     
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    Maybe you're right? I played it....I always called that drop back and set your feet. Plant and throw.

    He sets there. He doesn't plant.

    Either way, terminology be damned, I'm with you that I'd like to see his mechanics improve dramatically. In doing so, the sky is the limit.

    In not doing so, LaFell catches TDs that were a hair away from being too high on a wide open out and in. (shrug)
     
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  10. Ted Striker

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    Thanks for reading all my posts middle school girl. "Ignoring" me just makes it easier to point out your idiocy and psychotic behavior without the inconvinience of directly cock slapping you. Makes it more fun...dumbass, lol.
     

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