The Official Line Up And Kiss Ron Rivera's Ass Thread

from prior conversation on injured oline....

Garry Williams
Amini Silatolu
Edmund Kugbila
Chris Scott
Jeff Byers

Is this right?

 

This year the Panthers are a better overall team.

The offense isnt as productive. More a sign of the times than any greatness of Chud. He was good for us at the time, but the read option in the form it was run here is no longer as effective as it was for anyone, go ask SF or the deadskins. Cleveland aint lighting up the scoreboard now. A mix of coaching, talent and timing made the past few years offenses better than now. Shula is alot better play caller than I expected, seems to call good plays st the right time. Not great but competent enough to gameplan well.

The oline is not as good as it was-injuries, no real debate

Cam, while overall stat wise is not as good, has improved. He grew up and stopped fucking pouting, the completion percentage is better, much better on third down as well. He still needs to improve but Ill take this years Cam over the first 2 years.

The D is much improved and is not choking at the end of games.

Special teams has improved as well, Gano and Ginn have helped alot.

Rivera has grown some balls and decided to become a Cuckmaster rather than getting cucked himself.

Overall better thus the record. Quit being a bunch of little bitches. Chud is gone, good coach but no saviour. Stats were nice but winning is better. Were good enough to make the playoffs and beat most of the teams in it. SB, possible but i doubt it. Just be happy we're as good as we are. No one saw it coming.

 

I don't have the numbers but it seems like teams are just running the read option less. Defenses basically saying "WE'RE JUST GONNA FUCK UP YOUR QB!!" has probably forced OC's to be overly cautious. Plus some of the dual threat QB's are simply struggling as passers, making it all easier to defend. If you can't throw effectively it basically becomes the wildcat.

 

One of things that still annoys me about Rivera is when he starts talking like a fan. And I'm not crazy about the RELEVANT theme because I believe it takes more than one good year to achieve relevancy, but if the team is responding to it then who am I to complain.

 

And as far as this season, Washington is actually averaging more yards per carry on the ground but Shanahan inexplicably is running a lot less and passing more. Morris is on pace for about fifty fewer carries. Then the problem in San Francisco has obviously been the receiver injuries.

So you're saying that Kalil is worse than Hangartner?

This is such a moronic thing to say, as if worse stats paradoxically leads to more wins. If the 2013 defense had the 2012 or especially the 2011 offense than Carolina might be undefeated and would certainly be challenging for the #1 seed.

 

Good god man, its like your oblivious to what is actually happening in Carolina and Cleveland.

Were a more balanced team that is actually favoring the run, were not making those same deep plays like we did under Chud. What we are doing is controlling the clock and putting together some great drives of 80 yards better than probably anyone else in the NFL. We lead the league in TOP and its not all about the D like you'd like everyone to believe. I imagine we have both had and conceded the fewest amount of possessions of any team in the NFL.

Chuds team in Cleve is extremely unbalanced. He is #1 in pass attempts, 29th in rushing with a 2:1 pass to run ratio, they have a whopping 1 rushing TD on the season. His offense is actually ranked worse in scoring than Brad Childress' the year before 28th versus 24th.

Meanwhile Shulas O is actually ranked higher than Chuds last year here. So while Cams YPA might be down some as one would expect in this O his completion percentage and 3rd down conversions have actually improved. And its not just about taking the check down for easy completions, his pass completion percentage on 3rd and long is astounding.

If you honestly believe this team would be undefeated under Chud this year that might possibly be the moronic thing i've ever read on TBR.

We had the 10th or 12th ranked D last year and we still went 2-8. He has a great D in Cleveland too and what did he do, traded away TR and made his team even more one dimensional on paper. They are 4-6 in a division ripe for the taking.

Its not all about total yards and YPA, remember how I was laughed at in the "Shula" thread for trying to explain how less total yards may actually see us with a winning record. Cleveland I believe has almost the same total yards this year on O as us thanks to their passing yards but we are being more productive both in points scored and wins and loses.

Would you all rather see Cam top 4500 yards passing and us win 7 games a year again under Chud or have him throw for 3500 and us have 10 or 11 wins. Its like fantasy football is ruining peoples views on what good football can be. Our team is balanced all the way around right now. Even within the passing offense we are balanced with 4 receivers topping 400 yards, their YPC and TD are even pretty damn close (save Ginn).

Monday nights win wasn't all about the D, the O was very productive on their limited drives, and they were long drives too, we started from around the 20 on every one and got 3 tds and a figgy, on what, 6 drives?

 

I credit the O more than the D for Monday. It was as close to a shootout as we've been in. FWIW.

Also, FWIW Cleveland threw 56 times. Norv is the OC though, not Chud, FWthat'sW.

 

Before we begin, let's make absolutely clear that until you apologize to me for wasting my time and admit you were wrong in your prolonged insistence that Ted Ginn Jr. was "a returner, Hixon is a #3 WR, why cant you see that?" then no one here is going to think of you as anything other than a coward who can't own his mistakes. As I have repeatedly told you, we are not equals. Periodically some element of your insanity leads you to pick a fight with me and start an argument as if you haven't been repeatedly humiliated on every single previous attempt because I know what I'm talking about and you don't. So, in fact, maybe it's just better if you promise yourself never to argue with me about anything at this point since it never goes well for you. Put a post-it on your computer if necessary.

The 2012 Carolina Panthers ran for 2088 yards. The 2011 Carolina Panthers ran for 2408. Meanwhile the 2013 Carolina Panthers are on pace to run for 2005. I know that math isn't your strong suit since you embarrassed yourself by not understanding fractions in the Hixon thread, but 2005 is less than 2088 and 2408. That means the Panthers are actually a less effective running team under Shula than they were under Chudzinski. And before you use the same excuse stratocatter did about the offensive line injuries, obviously the team had even more significant ones there last season with Kalil out.

Technically you could argue that the Panthers are "more balanced" now because the pass and rush numbers are more in line, but that's only because passing effectiveness has seen an even more massive decline under Shula than rushing. Basically, you again don't know what you're talking about and need to shut the fuck up before I truly get angry with you.

The defense is #1 in the league while the offense has gotten dramatically worse in 2013 according to the statistics. 7th in 2011, 12th in 2012, and 22nd in 2013. 6.2 yards per play in 2011, 5.8 yards per play in 2012, and 5.0 yards per play in 2013. I know, let's credit the offense for improving the time of possession! The one and only place where the offense deserves credit for improving is Cam's increased effectiveness on third downs.

Again, this is what bothers me so much about you. It isn't just that you're wrong. Lots of people don't know much about football, which is perfectly fine because football is not that important in the grand scheme of things. I don't take umbrage with someone posting thoughts and opinions that happen to be incorrect. What annoys the ever living shit out of me is someone like you having the temerity to not only argue with me, but attempt to insult my intelligence. I have proven myself over and over again for years here. Everyone here, including you, realizes that I know my shit to an extraordinary degree. I have repeatedly humiliated you and countless others who demonstrated the idiocy of challenging me when it comes to football, and yet you have not been chastened by any of those experiences. If you were anything other than an utterly worthless and constantly belligerent idiot then you would have grasped by now that I am grossly out of your league and not someone you should ever be seeking conflict with. But it is precisely your absence of intelligence and your total inability to learn from mistakes that causes you to keep picking fights with a guy who made you a laughingstock. Your name rarely comes up because no one here thinks you're anything other than a fool, but when it does, people make jokes about how "Ginn is just a returner." LEARN FROM THAT.

Do not argue with me ever again. If you continue with this argument or start any future ones then I will follow every single post you make on TBR with your Ginn quotes. I am tired of dealing with your belligerent ignorance and will brook no more.

 

Carolina is averaging more points per game this year than last. 22.3 last year, 23.8 this year.