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Dude, not understanding fractions isn't a "rudimentary mathematical error." It's a colossally embarrassing lack of knowledge that shows your education was poor and your reasoning ability is inferior. You didn't get fractions, man. Fractions. You never admit to being wrong about anything no matter how many times people prove it or how definitively, but when you embarrass yourself to this level then you need to learn to stop arguing. Fractions, how do they work?

 

Here's how the argument should have gone:

That should have been it. CelticCat, we're not equals. It's fine to disagree with me, but do so always knowing that I have vastly more knowledge and intelligence than you do. We've both proven that quite definitively over the years. You need to learn when to cut your losses after I provide you with information you didn't know, as that happens a lot. Instead you stubbornly argue with me long after I've proven you wrong, with the only results being a ruined thread and you getting embarrassed, like exposing that you have no clue how fractions work.

 

Fixed

 

No shit lol throwing out stats that don't mean shit to twist your argument and claiming you know more just because you think so is really fucking annoying. It's sad someone so smart can't see what a tool he is.

 

See, this is your problem. Even when someone admits they made a mistake you wont accept it like a gentleman and shut the fuck up. You prattle on endlessly thinking my error actually makes a hill of beans to the outcome of the actual discussion.

You may also want to check your own math skills too. Id love to know how you came up with Smittys 55.7%

Per FO, Since 2002 (minus 2004, no target stats available) Smitty has caught 756 of 1300 targets, thats 58%. I wonder if a third grader could figure our which one of us had the largest margin of error.

I appreciate you trying to make fun of my education but you might want to check yourself first. Shit, kids in primary school know the meaning of the word primarily, LOL.

When I said Ginn hasnt been a ligitimate part of a WR corp since Miami what you should have done is agreed and said, "yeah, he didnt even play much WR at all last year, he's a proven returner tho, that'd be neat to have again."

But no, you have to be the arguementative prick you've always been and will be. Your whole arguement starts with, lets forget last year that doesn't count. You actually then go on to blame Alex Smith for him not performing in SF, its fucking hilarious. CK threw it deep last year, why didnt they use him more then. I guess its another conspiracy.

You say you're intelligent, yet you don't even understand the meaning of simple words. You say you're rational, yet you constantly prove how irrational you are (this arguement for one). You say you're unbiased, yet your bias towards Cam borders on racism.

And unlike you, I have never claimed to be superior to anybody, so I dont know why you keep trying to say we arent "equals", that's like the 3rd time you've mentioned it recently. You must feel threatened or something. Just because you may be wrong about something doesnt make you less of a man.

It was also pretty awesome of you to "fib" by saying Smitty has only reached 60% twice but I guess we'll be waiting a long time for you to admit that.

 

Not understanding fractions isn't a simple mistake, it shows both a complete lack of sufficient education and an inferior intellect. Getting some numbers transposed is understandable. Thinking that you can take a bunch of yearly percentages and average them to get a career percentage is deeply, deeply stupid.

The seasons for which ESPN has targets data total 511 receptions over 917 targets. 511/917 = 55.725% ESPN is a legitimate website with league connections. Football Outsiders or Pro Football Focus or any of these other trendy sites are no more than fan stuff put together like the Panthers Pro Football one I used to have.

Being a legitimate part of a WR corps doesn't mean you were highly productive or very good, it simply means you were heavily involved. Louis Murphy was a legitimate part of the WR corps here last season, for instance. Being a #3 WR in today's NFL obviously means you're on the field frequently and running lots of routes, regardless of whether or not you end up getting the ball. You didn't have a clue that Ted Ginn Jr. had been the #3 WR for San Francisco in 2010 and 2011. For the fiftieth fucking time, you not knowing that is fine. You being a stubbornly argumentative and refusing to acknowledge your ignorance because you can't ever admit to being wrong about anything despite being constantly wrong about almost everything is where this becomes a problem.

Let's be perfectly clear about two things:

#1) I have a history of being correct. Over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

#2) The facts back up what I have said, and they prove what you said to be false.

My criticism of Cam is not only factual, but has been proven definitively correct. It was actually funny to watch you and your fellow clowns try to insist that I was wrong during the 2011 season only to shut up during 2012 because you knew I'd been proven right. Accusing me of racism is the only tactic you have since you know the facts actually back up what I'm saying, but unfortunately for you I also had a history of criticizing Delhomme (and was proven correct about him as well).

No shit, because you're inferior to everyone this side of Thelt. You're a dumbass. You don't understand fractions, you constantly misspell words, you use words incorrectly, and you post things about football that make it seem as if you've only recently started watching the sport. And all of that would be fine if you weren't so stubborn and belligerent whenever someone proves you wrong. Instead of educating yourself and learning from someone providing you with new information, you argue and stubbornly stick to whatever idiotic thing you posted.

Honestly, I don't feel like you've even earned the right to speak to me. That's genuinely how I feel. I consider you to be such a dumbass with a complete absence of worth that it annoys me that you address me as if there is a reason for me to acknowledge your existence, and it really annoys me that you'll actually argue with me when I'm who I am and you're who you are. I have proven for years that I'm extremely knowledgeable, and I've been proven correct about the things I say with ridiculous frequency. Meanwhile you're someone who has a documented history of posting nonsense. It frustrates me that someone like you would have the temerity to argue with someone like me, just as I'm sure a professor would be annoyed with a student who tried to argue with them.

 

Wow, so not only did you have the unmitigated gall to accuse me of blatantly lying and fudging numbers (which I proved I didnt). But you did so with the full knowledge you were being deceiving in claiming Smitty had a 55.7 "career" catch percentage. Now, I could continue treating you like a child by saying you have proven once again to not know the meaning of another simple word like "career" and you cant even count past the number 7. But we both know that isnt the case. What you are is a deceptive, manipulative snake with no integrity.

So not only do you not fess up to either of your errors but you proceed to blame ESPN for your incomplete work. In fact, I bet you still think you did no wrong. I may have been foolish, but at least I'm a man with integrity. You have proven your word isnt worth a damn thing.

You know what, at this point I dont give a rats ass what you think legitimate means. If I was to say Ginn has legitimate speed as a WR, what would I be trying to convey? What you're describing are the duties of a #3WR, no adjective required.

You have provided absolutely no facts that Ginn was a legitimate #3WR in SF. You haven't even provided a snap count to prove he was heavily involved in the offense. All you have stated is that he caught 58% of 33 targets in 2011 (like we should be impressed by 19 whole catches and zero TD's). You completely neglected to mention his horrid 34% on 35 targets the previous year in yet another deceptive effort. Instead, you decided to try to argue that Ginns career 51.6% isnt that much worse than Smittys incorrect career 55.7% that you provided. If you had been an honest man you could have actually compared their catch percentages since 2007. But no, you tried to pass it off as a career statistic knowing full well 2003 and 2005 were successfull Panther years. You purposefully ommited Smittys triple crown year of 69%, his 62% in 2003 and his 58% in 2002 because you knew it made you look stupid.

And even after getting called on it your ego wont let you recant.

His actual career catch percentage of 58% is better than the likes of other current #1 wideouts around the league such as Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Roddy White, Dwayne Bowe, Greg Jennings and AJ Green to name a few. Im sure had he spent his career with the likes of Brady and Manning, he'd easily have retained a percentage over 60%. And he's only 5'9".

Pound for pound, Smitty is one of the best ever.

Had you kept your comments to the actual facts I'd have no problem at all. Facts are facts. I have nothing wrong with you mentioning his 3rd down passing percentages or his red zone passing. You dont even have to like the kid if you dont want to. But to define his passing solely on those two categories is foolish. I dont even have a problem with comments that address his leadership and maturity.

But when you make false statements like he can't read defenses, he cares more about making commercials than improving his game that crosses a line. You have no facts to back those statements, the facts actually run contrary to that, especially with the improvement he showed over the 2nd half of the season. They are your opinions based on some deeper feelings I don't really care to understand to be honest.

Not to mention your other comments concerning the equality of people.

Do yourself a favor, next time you visit the drug store, buy yourself a dictionary, a thesaurus and a mirror. If there is anybody on this board that has proven himself to be belligerant and stubborn its you. You're constantly argueing with everyone about everything, you fly off the handle hurling insults when anyone that challenges you and proves you even remotely wrong or incorrect. You even attack people that aren't even involved in the conversation.

Honestly, I dont care what you feel. You are a liar with no integrity. Why should I care what a person like that thinks. Please dont bother responding any further, just put me on ignore since i'm so inferior and not worth acknowledging. And for the record you started all this by addressing me first (see page 9). A professor, that's a laugh.

 

I realize that you're embarrassed about the way you acted in this thread by being deceitful and not understanding basic math, but don't try to flip that around on me. Targets isn't something sites were tracking when Steve started playing for the Panthers. Anything that goes back beyond that is someone creating numbers now for seasons back then, not recordings from that time. Moreover, Steve's percentage over the period ESPN does have has been extremely consistent. Steve caught 56.9% the last two seasons with Cam, correct? You continuously refuse to acknowledge that.

Holy shit, that is ridiculously untrue. You have repeatedly lied in this thread and you're the one who always refuses to ever admit that you're wrong about anything. This whole incident occurred because you couldn't admit that you didn't know Ginn was the #3 WR in San Francisco prior to last season, so you lied and tried to change what you had been saying.

See? You're lying again here. No one believes that I "provided absolutely no facts" on that. In fact, the opposite is true. I provided the facts conclusively proving that Ginn not only has always been at least a #3 WR during his career prior to last season, but that he's actually decent at it. You keep trying to dismiss Ginn's catch percentage but it's extremely relevant. How can you claim to have integrity when you continuously lie just to avoid admitting your mistake?

I did compare their numbers since 2006, which is all ESPN has. Here are the totals since 2007: Steve Smith - 55.1%, Ted Ginn Jr - 51.6%. So what's your next excuse?

Not unless you completely ignore scoring touchdowns, which is kind of important.

You accused me of racism because you were humiliated in this thread and you wanted to lash out. Your problem is not only that everything I said about Cam is true, but that I also criticized Delhomme. You claim to be a man of integrity and yet you threw racism around disingenuously because you were embarrassed about losing the argument so badly. And for the record, how many commercials did Cam film this past off-season? Tons, right? How much improvement did you see in his technique or footwork? I didn't see any. And if you think he can read defenses then that's simply more evidence that you have no clue about anything related to football. He can't right now, although that sometimes improves over time.

Lol, you're the one who lied. This entire thing happened because you said something dumb about Ginn, and when confronted with proof that you were wrong, you started lying to cover your ass instead of just admitting your mistake. And here's the part you really need to focus on. People care what I think. People want to know my opinion. No one in your entire life has ever cared what you think about anything. The next time you make a false statement and someone corrects you, either walk away or thank them for the new information instead of lying to avoid acknowledging your error. You're not a man of integrity. In actuality I'm as far superior to you in that respect as I am intellect and knowledge.