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Ginn and Hixon are both auxiliary players. That's what the rest of the league thought of them, because that's what they are. They're both #3 types. Louis Murphy signed with NYG for practically the same exact deal Hixon signed here.


You guys are also forgetting that Hixon and Ginn will really be competing for the #4 receiver in this offense behind Smith, LaFell, and Olsen.

 

You're such a cutie! What would you like for Christmas?

 

For you and Collin too come out of the closet.

 

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Actually I repeated that he has always been a #3 WR except last season. And I made that point because you wrongly claimed otherwise. Actually while we're on the subject, how about you show that you have a pair and come right out to say that you were wrong about that? I don't think anyone has ever seen you admit to being wrong about anything despite you being proven so with annoying frequency.

Explain to me how a deep threat works well with the weakest-armed QB in the NFL on a team that is 3rd in rush attempts and 31st in pass attempts. As for last season, Ginn was marginalized because San Francisco had Super Bowl aspirations. Ted Ginn Jr. should not be a #3 WR on a team with legitimate Super Bowl aspirations. But guess what? Domenik Hixon should not be a #3 WR on a team with legitimate Super Bowl aspirations either. And as for Brian Hartline, this apparently is yet another time where you show how little you follow football because he just signed a 30 million dollar contract with the Dolphins.

Ginn has had 161 catches on 312 targets over his career. I'm pretty sure that 51.6% isn't "slightly below 50%," but I'm also pretty sure you won't admit to being wrong. Moreover, Steve Smith has only caught 60+% of his targets twice during his career with the Panthers. He's caught 56.9% the last two years with Cam, which is pretty much in line with his 55.7% career mark. Please do not waste my time constantly being wrong, especially when you absolutely never admit that you were wrong after I prove it.

"Don't worry, be happy" may fly over the at the Huddle, but what's the point of discussing the Panthers if you're not doing so thoughtfully and only want to cheer-lead every move they make? Once again, the Panthers are not realistically going to contend in 2013. At absolute best they might hope to be relevant to the wild card race at 9-7, but I'm not sure they can win nine games and there actually hasn't been a 9-7 NFC wild card team since 2007.

So what should we as Panthers fans want out of 2013? Progress. We should want to see positive momentum and building toward a time when the team can be a contender. Signing one year veterans who push younger players off the roster doesn't bring progress, and it could arguably set the team back because now they need to find new players to use in 2014. Maybe Pilares and Adams are junk, but I would prefer to see them try to be developed in a low-pressure opportunity like #4 WR. I've already highlighted the way that Hurney pushed young players who proved to be useful for other teams off the roster in favor of short-term veterans.

Now add in the frustration with spending over $1 million on a fourth WR instead of on an offensive or defensive tackle. Now add in the frustration over renegotiating current contracts to create more cap room in 2013 at the cost of pushing more money against 2014. These are not moves you make for long-term benefit. These are not moves you make in pursuit of progress. These are the types of moves I would expect out of a win-now GM who needs to protect his job, which is why seeing them from a first year GM is so disappointing. The Raiders were in a mess similar to the Panthers and they've brilliantly shown how to escape it and start over. Meanwhile what has Gettleman done to start getting Carolina out of Hurney's mess? Seriously, name one thing. Name one.

 

Please show were I have ever said Ginn has or hasnt been a #3WR and i'll gladly bow to your request. What I said was that Ginn hasnt been a legitimate part of a WR corp since his Miami days. I stand by that.

In Miami he had 128 cathes for 1664 yards and 5 TD's over 3 years.
In SF he had 33 catches for 384 yards and 1 TD over 3 years.

You are so stupid you dont even realise why I mentioned Hartline and you're now proving my point. Ginns backup at Ohio State has developed into a better receiver than he has.

Just so you know for future reference, Im surrounded by Miami fans here. My GF's family and friends are all from florida and are massive Miami fans. I know more about the Dolphins than a Panther fan should know. I'll be going down there again in the near future, im trying to time it with the Miami game. They were also the first team I followed as a kid prior to the Panthers existance. I loved watching Marino, Duper and Clayton.

Ginns catch percentages per Football outsiders:

2007 48%
2008 60%
2009 49%
2010 34%
2011 58%
2012 not worth mentioning.

Thats an average of 49.8%

Steve Smiths catch percentages:

2002 58%
2003 62%
2004 injured
2005 69% triple crown year
2006 60%
2007 58%
2008 61%
2009 51% Jakes Tommy John year with 8td to 18 ints
2010 46% clausen
2011 61%
2012 53%

Smitty has proven himself to be a consistent 60% catcher with semi decent QB play with 5 seasons over 60%.

Maybe you should join the "Huddle" since you dont seem to be able to comprehend the meaning of words like "legitimate" and "primarily". Its not about being a cheerleader. But everyone else appeared to be on board with both pickups before you proceeded with your Debbie Downer routine.
You constantly seem to harp on the negative with everything this team does. You make fun of me being a Panther fan yet you seem to have no belief in this team winning, or the QB. You are more interested in spreading your agenda than ever acknowledging anything positive, and even when you do its in a backhanded way. There is no reason to believe this team can't compete next year, its just you being negative again.

We arent pushing anyone off the roster that doesnt need to be. None of these guys are under contract past this year, not even Lafell. Every one of them will have a chance to prove themsleves in training camp.

Mathis and Montgomery bounced around a bit before they became starters. Both were late developers, I cant blame Hurney for that.

Every team will make some tough cuts to get down to the 53. I imagine Robert McClain was one of those last year. But I think even you will admit they made the right move trading Terrell McClain for Dwan Edwards.

And that is the crux of your arguement. You're only seeing Ginn as a #4WR where any other rational person sees him for what he truly is, a punt and kick returner. Keep in mind we dont know the official cap charge of some of these veteran players either.

Gettleman released Gamble and got Naka to take a pay cut for starters.
He hasnt resigned Lafell yet which I imagine Hurney would have done already. Instead he has brought in competition for cheap to push him and make him earn it. Got Munnerlyn to stay relatively cheaply considering most assumed he was out the door, same with Dwan and his 6 sacks. You know Hurney would have found 20 MM for both those guys.

We still have to field a team next year. We just went thru a cap purge, cant see fans been happy with going thru another so soon. He has pushed some more dead money into 2014 but considering the situation Hurney left him in I think he has done a fine job so far, we will be competitive next year whether you want to believe it or not, we were competitive last year, just lost too many close ones.

Lets see what the Raiders actually do before we champion them. TB has tons of cap space, hasnt done shit with it.

 

It's embarrassing that you make me repeat the same thing again, all because you're such a coward that you can't admit to being wrong:

And by the way, a #3 WR obviously is "a legitimate part of a WR corp(s)." Had you said that Ginn hadn't been a starting WR since Miami, that would have been correct. But you tried to make it out that he was just a returner and not a legitimate wide receiver, which is completely false. You said something stupid and wrong, as you usually do, and you stubbornly argue the point instead of admitting your mistake, as you always do.

 

Well we obviously disagree on the meaning of the word legitimate then. Much like how you said Tebow was a legitimate QB. Hows that working out for him?

Its my opinion that he belongs as a returner and that is where his skill set is best used, the stats clearly support that. I never said he has never been a #3WR. And since I obviously posted his Miami highlights which clearly show his ability as a WR on end arounds and deep throws and commented such multiple times I was clearly aware of what he has been in the past.

You're the one being stubborn here, clinging to the premise that Ginn was a legitimate WR in SF. Murphy, the chap you have castagated did more for us in 1 year here at WR than Ginn did in 3 in SF.

You are doing nothing but embarrasing yourself by continually posting on this subject. But whatever you do, dont apologize for trolling without reading first.

 

I don't think anyone disputes that Hartline is a better receiver than Ginn, but that has nothing to do with anything. Brandon LaFell is also a better receiver than Ginn. It is a measure of your desperation to seem anything other than clueless that you're bringing up irrelevant trivia to distract from your total humiliation.

Holy shit, that is outstanding. Just when I think you can't stoop any lower, you show the world that you don't even have rudimentary math skills. You don't average the percentages, you colossal moron. Averaging the percentages would only give you the correct answer if every single year had the same denominator. Jesus Christ, you don't even know third grade math. That is fucking hilarious. To find Ginn's career catch percentage you add up his catches (the numerator) and divide by the total number of targets (the denominator). That's 161 divided by 312, which equals 51.6% as I said. It is completely awesome that your stubborn refusal to admit that you're wrong about anything ended up showing that you don't understand fractions. That is priceless.

And right after you prove that you don't understand fractions, I catch you blatantly lying. Awesome. 59.3% doesn't round up to 60, while you've fudged some of the other numbers as well. Here are Steve's actual totals: Steve Smith Stats - Carolina Panthers - ESPN

2006: 83 of 140 = 59.3%
2007: 87 of 149 = 58.4%
2008: 78 of 129 = 60.5%
2009: 65 of 130 = 50.0%
2010: 46 of 102 = 45.1%
2011: 79 of 129 = 61.2%
2012: 73 of 138 = 52.9%

I also like how you want to conveniently remove Steve's numbers with bad quarterbacks but don't want to notice that Ginn has always played with bad quarterbacks. Ted's main QB in 2007 was Cleo Lemon, in 2008 he had the last full season of Chad Pennington's career, and in 2009 he had Chad Henne. Then we know about Alex Smith in San Francisco.