Hixon

So an average of 120 yards receiving in 3 years makes him a letigitmate WR. The fact that he only caught 34% of his targets his first year in SF, makes him less of a legitimate WR than Murphy was last year. The WR that was removed as a receiving option last year, seriously fuck off with that bullshit. Im sure defenses were quaking in their boots about Ginn in the WR game.

You can crap on about him being technically the #3WR all you want. But anyone with a fucking clue would realise the 49ers were a running team first and the #2 TE Walker was a bigger factor at WR than Ginn.

And which contender did he turn down for us? Cincy, the Raiders? Did they even offer a contract or did they use him as a bargaining chip?

We arent exactly miles away from the playoffs ourselves.

You mean like when I said on mulitple occasions he'd be usefull on deep routes and end arounds. He may well want to be the #3WR, hell, why not go for the gold, Im sure he would like to be the go to guy at #1 too. But Hixon will be taking that #3 slot bar injury. I cant wait for you to go apeshit when/if we add another option in the draft. But that doesnt mean we still wont use him as a WR. What it means is that his primary job will be returns.

Ah, the Andrew Luck defense and the black QB cant read defenses arguement all in one. Well done.

I remember Gruden slobbering all over Cam for his first TD on MNF.

Way to take it to the extreme. I think we could squeeze 10 - 20 targets away from him without him being mad.

Its about team success not personal success right? I think Smitty has been here long enough for some of that to sink in.

 

Gruden slobbers on everyone on MNF, it's pathetic

 

He does, but that's his job now.

 

I thought it was reported that he got over a million total, like Ginn. Are you sure $685k isn't just his base salary?

Trying to use the average is obviously deceptive since he was removed from the offense last season after they signed Manningham and others. Trying to use only his worst catch percentage of his career is obviously deceptive as well. You're being dishonest because you don't want to admit that you made a mistake and that you had no clue that Ginn had always been at least a #3 WR every season of his career prior to the last one. This is why you're so annoying. It's fine that you don't know much about football, but after someone points out something you didn't know, you keep arguing instead of accepting the new information.

Russell Wilson can read defenses. Cam is more concerned with how many commercials he can make than improving his performance.

#1) You would be wrong. With every post you make it seems more and more like you're some Chinese bot trolling us instead of being an actual Panthers fan. What Panthers fan thinks of Steve Smith as a reasonable, level-headed guy who would be perfectly fine with a reduced role? Good lord.

#2) Even if you did take 10-20 targets from Steve Smith, it shows a fundamental ignorance of football to think that those would all magically go directly to a fourth receiver. That's simply idiotic. If the #1 option gets targeted less, the #2 option will get most of the extra, with the #3 option getting the next highest percentage of the extra, etc. And note that Greg Olsen is the #2 option. A fourth wideout would actually be the sixth or seventh total option in the passing game after some of the backs. Mike Tolbert is already underused as well. That's what makes spending over a million on a veteran fourth WR so indefensibly stupid.

Please admit that you're a Chinese bot and stop pretending that you've ever heard of the Carolina Panthers.

 

(paraphrasing) 'he has been at least #3 every season of his career prior to this last'

really? so he was the #3 WR for the 49ers in 2010 with a grand total of 12 receptions and...wait for it...71 punt/kickoff returns? In 2011, 19 receptions & 67 returns. In 2012, 2 receptions & 43 returns. And remember, the niner offense is like a Jon Fox offense, just better. For reference, Proehl averaged just under 29 receptions for 450 yards and 3 TD's per year in his 3 years in Carolina. Regarding Ginn, he must've been a #3 receiver in name only.

The niners had some injuries at WR the last three years, and if Ginn had more than deep threat ability at WR, im sure the niners would have gotten him more involved...they did give up a 5th to get him...but they didnt, they let Josh Morgan walk (who was the reason why Ginn didnt play much), signed Randy Moss, drafted AJ Jenkins, and picked up Chad Hall (a 5'8" honke) from the Eagles practice squad, and even he outproduced Ginn during his time there. And if any organization has risen up to challenge the Patriots in roster building, its the niners.

Also, did you happen to notice the niners were using just 4 WR's for most of 2010, once special teams player Ziegler got hurt? That left just Crabtree, Morgan, Ginn, and Kyle Williams. Morgan had 96 receptions in 2010 and 2011 combined, but played in only 5 games in 2012. Woulda thought Ginn could have stepped up at some point between Kyle Williams and Josh Morgan's injuries, but no, it was Kyle Williams (the 2010 6th rounder) that eventually stepped up and supplanted Ginn for good (before Moss and Jenkins got there):

(i) Williams' 29 game niner career: 35/461/4 receiving, 6/53/0 rushing, 50/648/0 returning

(ii) Ginn's 40 game niner career: 33/364/1 receiving, 11/86/0 rushing, 181/3158/3 returning

And, I think Celtic was questioning the Bucs trade for Revis in a more general way...i dont understand the NFL's trading culture, either. Joey Galloway for 2 1st's, Randy Moss for a 5th, two 1st's and a 2nd for Carson Palmer, 1st/3rd/4th + 15 million a year for an ACL recovering Revis, Olsen for a 3rd, Brandon Marshall for a 3rd, etc... (and, yes, I know I neglected to include any contract or 'cultural fit' info, which is often the driver(s) behind these decisions)

 

Yes. In fact, besides Crabtree and Morgan the rest of the wideouts on the roster combined had less targets than Ginn.

No, see above.

No. You're obviously forgetting that they had Alex Smith at quarterback, the guy with quite possibly the weakest arm in the NFL. Ginn was there simply to run deep routes and hopefully draw the safety off of Davis or Crabtree. It's also worth noting that in 2011 the 49ers were an extreme running team, ranking 31st in pass attempts compared with 3rd in carries.

Kyle Williams didn't supplant Ginn at all. Wide receivers aren't usually interchangeable. Kyle Williams and Ginn didn't play the same role as receivers in the 49ers' offense. Randy Moss is the one who supplanted Ginn in 2012 as the rarely targeted deep threat who would attempt to draw the safety.

 

Because they literally had no one else. Recall, they only used 4 WR's once Ziegler got hurt, and according to Kyle Williams' wikipedia bio, 'he was injured most of the 2010 season...played in five games and made one reception for 8 yards in the November 21, 2010 loss to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.'

So, basically, despite being hurt most of his rookie year, and only being a 6th rounder, he was able to hang around and turn into a productive wideout for them, and could handle the returns now that Ginn is gone. So in that way, he certainly could supplant Ginn.

Obviously, you're dug in to your position, & I can respect that because so am I. I was a little off base with the niner offensive breakdown, the criticisms were valid and duly noted. Still doesnt change my opinon of Ginn as a return specialist that might get to a play a significant role in this offense, and while I doubt the latter, I'm certainly hoping above all that he can.

 

Morgan and Crabtree both played all sixteen games in 2010. Ginn was always intended to be the #3 there, and they didn't sign anyone else because they felt comfortable with what they had.

I think you're getting confused because of Kyle Williams' high profile fumble in the 2011 playoffs. He wasn't even the main backup kickoff or punt returner, as Williams wasn't second in returns for either 2010 or 2011. Moreover, he's not expected to be the 49ers' returner this season either. Additionally, he generally wasn't used the same way as a receiver with San Francisco.

No, I have actual facts backing up the things that I'm saying.

You're entitled to be wrong, as your opinion doesn't actually change reality, and the reality is that Ginn has always been a legitimate wide receiver. Moreover, he's really not bad at it. As repeatedly noted, Ginn's career catch percentage is only a little worse than Steve Smith's (although Steve has always been overrated). Hixon will catch a higher percentage, which is nice, but not particularly significant given how few targets they're likely to see. Signing both of them was pretty dumb given the pressing need for any type of usable option at OT or DT.

 

true or false: you were the only one to use actual facts?