Hixon

Fuck these kids going into their umteenth year and haven't done shit.

Welcome to the new world in Carolina, where competition is being brought in and you actually gotta beat somebody for your spot.

This is the reality man, and I have absolutely NO problem with any of this. Keep bringing them in, if we can. Let the best guys win. There is no guarantee Ginn even makes the squad.

No one should feel safe on this losing sad sack of shit of a team.

 

Stop it. You showed that you had absolutely no idea that every season of Ginn's career before 2012, he was at least a #3 WR. Once I pointed that out to you, you should have either shut your mouth or thanked me for teaching you something you didn't know. Continuing to argue just makes you look like a belligerent ass in addition to a dumb one.

Even you can't possibly be stupid enough to not understand by this point.

 

Everybody in the league is looking less at youth with the options available among veterans. Makes sense that this would be the case at WR where it takes longer for players to develop.


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If we're going to continue this discussion it would be awesome if you could at least extend me the courtesy of knowing who the fuck Ted Ginn is. You act like nobody knows who Ted Ginn is and what his skill set is.

I also have no idea what you think you're proving by constantly bleeting that Ginn was a #3WR. You do realise his role as a WR has decreased in every offense since his sophmore year, to the point that you yourself stated he was removed almost entirely because of an aging Randy Moss and Kyle Williams. The same Kyle Williams that cost SF a chance of going to the SB with 3 fumbles, 2 on punt returns filling in for an injured Ginn in the NFCCG.

Yeah, your right, im sure when Gettleman and Rivera were reviewing his SF tape they decided they needed his 200 yard average at wideout. Screw that individual 1200 yard return average that eclipses our entire team, who needs those.

I understand you're getting your knickers in a twist over us losing some players that quite possibly could be out of the league when their contracts expire here in Carolina.

If you're refering to your "3 more completions" arguement, well that's kinda flawed. That's using Ginns 58% catch rate, if you applied his 34% catch rate from the previous year thats almost 20 completions, pretty significant. Which Ted Ginn are we gonna get at wideout?

You're also assuming the same #4WR would receive the same number of targets as AE did. Maybe Cam would have a better rapport with a better WR, maybe that #4 is a better route runner. Maybe with another year experience Cam would become better with his reads. There were times last year when the #3 or #4 option looked open but Cam either forced a bad pass to Smitty or threw it away because he was under duress. Maybe upgrading the Oline would give Cam more time to find that #4WR.

 

You're the only one who doesn't. You had absolutely no clue whatsoever that Ginn had always been at least a #3. You really thought he was just a returner and an occasional WR because that's what he was last season, but last season was the first of his career where he was marginalized on offense. That's the whole point of him signing here.

No, I used his career mark. Ginn has caught 51.6% (for the sake of comparison, Steve Smith's is 55.7%).

I already pointed out repeatedly that there are only so many targets to go around, regardless of whether or not Cam gets better. Given that the team is supposedly looking to run more often in 2013, the idea that there would somehow magically be many more targets for the #4 WR is pretty far-fetched. I really doubt Steve is going be sit back and be cool with seeing his targets come down substantially, and if anyone needs to receive more it's going to be LaFell or the backs anyway.

 

Listen, if what is currently on the Panthers isn't performing up to NFL standards then get somebody in there that can and that is exactly what they are doing. At the very least, they are sending the message that they are willing to fix all of the non-performing positions.

 

Thanks for the courtesy. I love how you call 2 catches last year "occasional". A 120 yard average over 3 years is pretty damn marginal, especially for guy that was drafted #9 overall.

But lets keep ignoring those return stats while were at it, the real reason we signed him.

Im getting just under 50%, whatever. Ginns 58% compared to Hixons 66% worked numbers wise at 3 catches. I assumed thats what you were saying. Comparing Ginns career 50% to Hixons career 60% is just 6 catches, thats a little bit more even.

Cam should be targeting the open guy. We shouldnt be forcing targets on anybody. But agreed, the number could indeed be less with a greater emphasis on running. Adding another receiving TE would complicate things further. But the idea is to complete more targets not who gets the most.

Smitty could conceivably get less targets nest year but still get more yards and TD's than last year. I think that would keep him happy.

 

Ginn is a return man. That's why he's here. They may have told him he'll get opportunities but in reality hixon is better than ginn at wr.

 

This is simple. Sign the best players you can, let them compete. If the young guys can't beat out Ginn and Hixon, too fucking bad.