Rivera's status (retained)

Usurping the coordinators isn't in the head coach's job description either, which is why John Fox made news when he started meddling with Trgovac.

Of course you would lie about lying. I quote you, you don't quote me. You constantly make up things I never said because you badly lose arguments when dealing in reality.

I think "let the assistants he hires handle the offense" is pretty clear that he wasn't going to be looking over Chudzinski's shoulder, telling him what he could and couldn't run. Again, stratocatter has no evidence whatsoever to think that Rivera is "supervising" Chudzinski. It isn't happening and you know that, you're only pretending otherwise because you wanted to argue with me yet again.

 

it's difficult to "take by force" power that's yours. By definition, the whole team is Rivera's. I guess the offhand quote about "letting the assistants..." matters, but the one where he states he controls every coach and player, that one somehow falls short. Maybe he was kidding that time.

I don't think there's any new ground to be laid here. You disagree. That's fine.

 

By your logic, Al Davis affecting the play-calling in Oakland was fine because as an owner he had the "right" to do so.

 

A complete 180 would be total micro managing, so no I have no evidence of that but then that's not what I was alleging anyway. Supervision is a broad term, and there can be degrees. The smallest degree is still supervision.

I value your presence on the board and respect your football knowledge and I even appreciate your sense of humor but I have avoiding arguing with you for years because you're so freaking hard headed re needing to win an argument, plenty of evidence of that here.

Yes I finally got frustrated enough to play this game and I will no doubt come to regret it but anyhow, here are some things I dug up. Could not find something I saw quoting an insider on Chud's scheme this year, that I really wanted to find. It was not complimentary.

Btw, this stuff is not from two freaking years ago when Rivera had not even hired staff, nor coached his first NFL game as head man. On to some pasting:

Panthers-Bears notes: No ‘magic cure-all’ for Carolina running game | CharlotteObserver.com

10/28/12

Below, I just took one paragraph, it's a big article which is more of a piece on Rivera changing himself, changing his coaching style vs what he started out thinking he needed to do with the team, that sort of thing.

Carolina Panthers coach Ron Rivera knows what he must change: himself | CharlotteObserver.com
10/28/12

“Of course, if it’s not trending up, then honestly, the decision has to be made.”

Rivera has made changes already. Since Hurney’s firing on Monday, he has tweaked the team’s practice routine and placed a renewed emphasis on a more traditional rushing attack.

To reiterate: It does not say Chudzinski, it says Rivera.

Sort of the same shit here, from the same time period:

Carolina Panthers seeking answers in running game - NFL.com

Next, we have Gil Brandt on NFL.com. Long ass article that is worth reading overall, I'm just taking what I want here.

Cam Newton hampered by Carolina Panthers' offensive approach - NFL.com

snip

This is here because it's close to what I think about Chud, without the anger (which I still feel because I think his errors in judgement fucked up the first part of our season as much as anything). And I was equally pissed at Rivera for allowing this to happen (but if he really doesn't know shit about offense as has been suggested here in this thread, I guess I should cut him some slack).

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It is at least possible that what I suggested about Rivera supervising his staff is true. I'm on fucking dialup this week so it's all I got. I'm pretty sure it will not be enough but hey, it is what it is. And will probably be rendered totally irrelevant by Monday afternoon.

 

I don't know. I don't speak strawman. I would usually think of it more as "would another head coach do this", not "Transitively, Adolf Hitler would make Greasy Neale run the Airraid if both existed today".

 

interesting stuff, much of which I hadn't seen. I don't get the idea that it's implausible. I haven't seen anything at all from Chudzinski about it either.

 

I do appreciate your effort in digging up links and such, but do you realize that you were still bitching about Chudzinski not being supervised by Rivera as of 11/28? That was a full four games after the Chicago gameplan you claim is evidence of Chudzinski being overruled somehow. You've been bitching about the zone-read that whole time because they're still running it. It was only out of the gameplan against the Bears because of how their defense matched up, not because Rivera told Chud to stop using it. Cam's big runs in recent weeks have come almost entirely via the read-option. The offense has not changed.

edit:
Also, I'm surprised you would post the Gil Brandt link given that he apparently doesn't even know that they were using this spread offense last season as well.

 

I'd bet I was bitching about it in the past tense. Because we lost so many fucking games with that crap. But if I was bitching about Rivera not supervising, he should have been supervising more dammit

For some fun, related but not 100%, there's a FF forum I go to and they have a Stewart DW thread from around the same time, read the last couple of pages of this one. If you can stand it, read it all (I didn't) There's actually a quote I didn't come across from Rivera that is enlightening (or should be).

one, post #238:

Stewart new feature back in Carolina? - Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums - Page 5

Oh btw, something I saw over there looking for the quote or link to it I never could find:

Creating
Hilarious
Unnecessary
Deception

 

This

 

I have an issue with this, since he's converted a number of third and 5+ running in the last few weeks. His ESPN splits on third and 3+ yards to go are pretty big, and same for 9+. That's also not to negate the scrambles on other downs, but they're not going to run the veer option on 3rd and 11.