Panthers sign Ryan Kalil to six-year deal, making him NFL's highest-paid center

Sure, but it's been long enough. The fanbase has to put an end to this since JR obviously won't do it of his own accord. Richardson has shown that he'll respond to fans if he actually feels it, but instead we've got buffoons actually defending what Hurney did this off-season.

 

Carolina's hardly even the only team to spend large inhouse. Some big contracts went to players who aren't even that good for their teams, but then here we are with you linking 2-14 to the guys we signed as if they were the main causes of the bad season. Which, you can give Thelt shit all day about it, but your owner clearly thinks that John Fox was the culprit and that our talent level is good enough to develop.

I hear they tried to go sign other people. Remember that? Maybe that's still being blocked by you. We did also happen to give money to a few tight ends. One might go as far as to say we got the best DE and RB on the market. Best C, if you wanted to stretch.

Plus, you know we wouldn't have had the second most cap room had things not worked just perfectly enough to allow us to not sign our young players before they were. At the very least, Beason, Kalil, Davis would've been locked down, which is a chunk. It appears they always had intent to sign DW also. Most of that money was never meant for outsiders.

For what it's worth, I was hoping for a DT or a CB, but not both; I didn't anticipate Olsen but it certainly improves us a great deal. I figured there'd maybe be a few roleplayers brought in, I don't know that I was anticipating doing exactly what Philly just did, and there are both positives and negatives to that. In the end, my biggest concern with what we did was whether Rivera was good with it, and how much was reaction to the post-CBA environment.

Plus, if we can get Kelvin Hayden for a song, that'd be nice.

This is a load. Sorry. And seriously, how old and worn out is the dismissive argument for you? Everything lately is how someone's an idiot if they don't expressly agree with you. Then you pretend you're out for the greater good or that you're concerned with honesty.

Plus, telling me what I really think, or really meant when I said something you disagree with, is really poor. You don't know me or what I think, you don't have any way of telling me how that's true, so stop with the dishonesty.

saying "sorry about that" when someone else mentions how ridiculous you're being means I'm incredibly bitter? No.
Also, given how hard you work to try to make people bitter and angry seems more than slightly disingenuous toward both some act of "intellectual honesty", and toward the idea of using it later. That's crap.

disagree with every bit of this, but mostly the idea that you don't anticipate being treated special, or acting like you are. You anticipate preferential treatment and seem to sit back and pretend you are deserving. The idea of others being 'biased' when your two main motivating factors in this thread are seemingly a distaste for Marty Hurney, and for me. That you can regularly look to abuse people, and then pretend it's their flaw not yours.

All of this shit, and hardly any of it had to do with football. Truth, honesty, these things aren't important, they're just words you use to try to 'win'.
That's the thing, I don't care about winning. I'll defend a point, sure. But I'm not trying to outlast someone else (alternately, posting punctuation and then telling them to shut the fuck up, etc), I want to talk about actual football items. Sometimes, without the same fucking argument facing every single thread, or at least the idea of staying on topic.

 

You know, the thing that impresses me the most, with the possible exception of the amazing amount of time and energy Magnus and Collin put in to each salvo, is the fact that, for the most part, the writing is gramatically correct. I appreciate that.

The crude language and the JV name-calling dumbs-down the rhetoric, but at least the grammar is decent.

 

SO you base all this on a message board post and 2 articles that say little more than CJ stayed because of the money? Please quote the parts (articles only, I don't give a rat's ass aout a MB post) that show this to be anything more than opinion.

Having "far more money tied up in 2012 and 2013" doesn't put us in worse cap shape than any other team unless you put on blinders and ignore the other pieces of the puzzle. We locked up what we viewed as core players long term (5 years). In that respect, we are off sequence of other teams, most having very few signed beyond 2012. The bidding wars created by the number of teams involved will quickly eat up cap space. The glass isn't always half empty.

 

I guess we will all find out over the next few months and years whether this offseason was a good idea or not. I think it was assuming Newton is the real deal. Obviously Collin and others think it was awful. Time will tell.

I just can't see how the offense can fail to be good if the QB is playing well. The running game should be very good and a healthy and happy Steve Smith and two good tight ends are enough to make for some balance. The linebackers are going to be really good. McDermott should be able put a decent defense on the field.

 

I think CJ's own twitter was involved too. Which, reading CJ's twitter, you can tell it's straight Wall Street Journal.

 

Yeah these guys were involved in 2-14 but they were also involved in 12-4 too so you can take that argument and shove it up your ass...

Did we over pay? Probably so. Were these guys directly responsible for 2-14? Fuck no. Would they be flipping burgers if we hadn't resigned them? Hell no they'd be starting somewhere else in the league...

 

I'm pretty shocked there is so much excuse making for the exorbitant contracts being given out. Overpaying a little to retain when you're on a 2-14 team is understandable.

But the size of the contracts are out of control. Is Ryan Kalil the best center in the league? No. Is Beason the best MLB in the league? It's debatable he's in the top three, but he's not the best, or even the second best....

The great teams are not run this way. They just aren't.

 

well. they've also then been involved in our glorious streak of not having beaten ANY afc team since december 14, 2008.

very nice.

while alot of last season was a dead horse with a coaching staff that had already clocked out, the fact is we weren't a good team then, we aren't a good team now, and we can just about bank on being 4th in the division again this year. at least we've scored a preseason touchdown this time around. baby steps.