Low Point?

Whether we have some young talent or not is not going to matter if Newton is a flop. We will stick with him for several years given our investment even if he is a bust. It is almost impossible to win in the NFL without a QB who is at least average. If Newton is the next highly drafted QB to bust then the franchise is not making the playoffs again for several years.

If Newton turns out to be pretty good then yea the talent we have around him will be enough to be a playoff team pretty quickly. I just fear that the odds are greater that he is a bust than they are that he is solid.

 

Well, that's how you see it. I'm not going to put tons of time into breakdowns right now, just to be dismissed. There's no benefit to that, and you'll give me shit either way. I can't change the three QB picks, extra WR picks, lack of FAs, or the value we lost on trades. What's here, I like. Oh well.


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Anything is possible, but I never had too many concerns over whether he'd be at least average. Even if he turns into only Rex Grossman with legs, he's got value. That he was drafted too high, as QBs so often are, didn't change whether he was good. Him working hard hasn't hurt my view of him either. So if the worry is if he can be average, he most definitely can be that without much faith. Certainly the struggle might be making him something he may not be, but his words suggest he wants to be able to pocket pass.


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If he turns out to be a good "running QB" ala McNair and Culpepper from early in their careers I will be happy with him. My fear is he will be the next highly drafted QB to flop. If he can't throw well enough to keep the defense honest then all his running ability will not matter.

 

It's weird to see how completely and quickly you rewrite your opinion of players. Newton is most likely going to be a below average NFL quarterback, and before we took him you agreed with that. That said, I don't think he's going to be a complete bust who you can't even play. And for the record, I used the plural because you also dramatically changed your opinion of Andrew Luck during the off-season: http://www.thisboardrocks.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2605266#post2605266

 

yes, and I was happy to change my opinion to the idea that he'll be fairly respectable based on tangible things. I could be totally static, and just fucking yell about it but I found no benefit. Still, the idea that Newton's worked hard at it, and seems to be doing the right things, helps. I never once said he wasn't talented. I certainly wouldn't write off a team's supposed franchise player when attempting to talk about team talent either.


As for the rest, looks like my phone let me down on the other reply. I'm not going to go down the list to have everything bitched at and shot down. I feel OK enough about where I am to not require being brow beaten over that shit. No one wins from that unless they genuinely enjoy being angry at a computer screen, so outside of that I feel like we have talent and you're underselling us.

 

I'm not sure how admitting that you drastically change your opinion of players based on off-season stuff makes your opinion in any way credible from here on out, but ok.

 

Oh no, not discreditation! "Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, this witness felt like Kyle Boller was going to be a good quarterback eight years ago. Clearly he couldn't have seen me, the defendant, raping that elderly lady with the big funbags behind the church bakesale that over ten other people saw, including that one guy that started cheering."

Didn't drastically change on Newton, I never said he wasn't talented. I still don't believe he was the best pick we could make, but I think he has a chance at being decent in a few years. He's showing more work than I anticipated, and at my most cynical, I can still see his drive to be good based on exposure.

 

yes?
aren't you the one who bitched about exaggerating the difference between not much and none, said offhand, but you're not seeing the nuance between "didn't drastically change" and "did change"?