Gruden - Newton

You can rack up easy completions in a spread offense?

 

what abvbout gabbert then? Arewe going just by combin e?

 

Gabbert isn't considered accurate either, especially downfield. Speaking of which: http://domshakal.blogspot.com/2011/04/phil-simms-believe-what-your-eyes-tell.html

 

True, because what you said was completely wrong. And since then you've been making a complete ass out of yourself by stubbornly defending a statement that was completely wrong despite abundant evidence that it was completely wrong. How the fuck do you not grasp the significance of no high first round DT busts since 2003? If someone had made the argument that DTs never bust, then you could lodge an objection, but instead you said something stupid that runs counter to all the evidence, and you need to just shut the fuck up already.

Since you are a complete fucking idiot, I will attempt to explain this in a way that even your squeaky-ball of a brain can comprehend. Everyone wants their high draft picks to be elite, but even for the best prepared and most astute organizations, it will not happen every time. In the cases where high first round picks fail to reach the heights you envisioned, you still would much rather them be contributors than to be complete useless. JaMarcus Russell has no value to the Raiders, but Dorsey & Okoye still have value to their teams despite not being the players those teams had hoped they were drafting.

Actually what you said was "one or 2 years," which was wrong. And for the record, Simon always had conditioning problems, but his career went into the tank due to knee degeneration and polyarthritis.

No, the whole point of this is that you said something wrong, and then instead of acting like an adult when I corrected you, you got defensive and stubborn to the point that you made nonsensical excuses and just dug a deeper hole for yourself. No one is saying that Dareus is guaranteed impact, but he is arguably the best bet for that in this draft. He's not on a level of Suh, which is unfortunate, but no one in this draft is that kind of ultra-elite talent. DT, in general, has been a pretty good bet in the draft. QB has not. None of that means a particular DT will succeed or that a particular QB will fail, but it's relevant to the discussion. Meanwhile the much more important thing is that neither Newton or Gabbert seem to have elite potential, and neither has more than a small chance to make an immediate impact in the NFL. Who knows what they will be like after four seasons, but I personally am not optimistic, and therefore I'd be disappointed if either was chosen at #1.

 

He cheated as shitload and kept doing it. Ah.

As for accuracy, that's very fair. I'm not suggesting he's going to come in and light the NFL on fire, and never have. Kid'll need work, and will need to practice.

All I know is Donovan McNabb came in with questions, Ben Roethlisberger did, and just those two alone come off the top of my head as coming into the league with questions as far as that went. I'm not suggesting Cam will be as good as either, though I think he can be, even maybe better than McNabb...but the rest of his tangibles round that out. He will be a little unconventional. If we're looking to have a totally conventional QB and not cater to the natural talents of X or Y quarterback, then we should avoid Newton.

 

I admit I'm not a draftnik, but see, I think AJ Green is, and that's one of the major reasons I'm hoping we just shit the brick and get him. I think he's the only guy out of any position in this draft, who will be a complete and total star. - well, I should say, the only one who is a clear and rock solid elite prospect.

He's SICK. I've not seen a guy with his frame run and cut like he does in a LONG TIME. He's not as physical as a Jones or Johnson (from Houston) but this kid can cut, run, and his ball control skills are a fucking dream. He plucks it like Fitzgerald. Just BOOM, snatches that shit out of the air at its highest point, and he just owns DBs. So he's a diva. Hell, he's a wideout.

Have I told anyone I have a mancrush on AJ Green?

Btw...I like this kid. Heh...I would be ecstatic if we drafted him. I mean, honestly. Let's say we DO get a vet QB or a guy who can come in and operate the O. Just THINK of all the differences someone like him could make...from the passing game, to the running game, and he'd be PERFECT for our offense. Omg...

 

I think about everyone cares about the cheating. I'm not thrilled about it. Accuracy? Yes, much like Vick (but 1/2 a foot taller), he has poor mechanics, by NFL standards. So does Clausen. So did Jake. Accuracy can be coached. Question is, can Newton be coached? I guess I'm willing to give it a shot, but Rivera better choke a bitch (behind the scenes) the first time Cam acts like a douche.

 

Jake was a toxic personality. The Panthers had some good years in spite of that. I'm more worried about his ability to learn an NFL playbook, but the digit system should help, even though the actually offense doesn't really fit his skill set.

 

Again, maybe I'm totally off-base but for as long as I've been watching Green, my brain just keeps screaming "Charles Rogers!" Because of the Matt Millen angle, people forget what a great WR prospect Rogers was out of Michigan State. He was tall, quick, a great route runner, and had great hands. But he wasn't physical, and he was weak mentally. Maybe on a better team he could have survived those first couple of seasons and made something of himself, but I've been skittish about finesse receivers ever since, and especially ones who give you reason to question their mental toughness.

 

It was pretty bad when Newton couldn't remember a play call and Gruden could. Greg McElroy was on The Herd today and reeled one off as well.