Gruden - Newton

I've heard some people talk about how great Suh was for the Lions and such---and that's all true, but let's not forget Detroit already had it's QB with a first overall selection, btw.

Had Stafford and Suh both been available, and Detroit hadn't picked either, they would go Stafford.

Listen...christ...this isn't fucking hard, here...if you have neither a franchise QB or a DT worth a shit, and you have both available facing you in the draft, you always- ALWAYS- draft the potential franchise quarterback. Not a fucking DT who might be a solid guy for about 6-7 years before they wear down.

Does anyone have any stats on how long on average, a DT stays elite? I'd be curious to know...I can do the homework later, if no one knows off the top of their head...

 

It mattered, IMO, for Clausen and Cutler.

 

Guess I don't consider newton a franchise qb.

 

Fair enough, but I said potential franchise QB.

So far, no one is saying this kid WON'T translate. THey're saying it may take time and he has character concerns.

 

You jumping down my throat for stating "Bar QB, DT has seen quite a few draft busts that were selected highly also." is what started this arguement.

Nowhere in that statement does it say recently, often or after 2003. So if you'd like to tell me whats wrong or ignorant with that statement id love to hear it.

Just stop it, nobody wants "contribution" from a top 10 pick, they want impact. I hope if we do draft Darius he brings impact, not "contribution".

He did have a few good years which i believe i noted. Injuries were not the reason he failed to continue producing at that same level. It was because he became a lard ass and ate his way out of the league while trying to get paid. Ask any Philly fan. Hell, even Polian admitted that signing him was one of his biggest mistakes as a Colts GM.

You say potato I say spud

I happened to leave Ty Warren out because he was/is listed as a DE not a DT. Didnt call him a bust either.

Look, the whole point of this was that drafting a DT at #2 doesnt guarenttee we get an automatic starter just because person A or B doesnt like Newton or Gabbert.

If your point is that GMs have done a better job of scouting DT's in recent years than fine. I dont want a Dorsey or Okoye at #1 overall, I want a Suh.

And i'll leave it there.

 

But you don`t take a first pick for potential do you? You want a number one who has immediate impact on them. None of the qbs available in the draft do.
I think there are plenty of draft pros saying Newton will be a bust.
Besides after last year I would go anyone but who Kiper suggests.

 

It's done all the time. I don't know that I can think of any quarterback in history as the #1 overall who was thought to come in and make an immediate impact as far as wins. It happens- look at Bradford. But I can't imagine they expected that.

Newton has to sit. He won't make an immediate impact. But he has a chance to take us far for many many years to come after that.

As for draft pros saying Cam will be a bust. I could certainly be wrong, but I can't think of any. I just recall them saying he has red flags because of the laptop shit and because of his Dad.

 

If they pick Newton as the #1 there is no way that he doesn`t come in and start a few games his first year. No team with our qb talent is going to pay #1 pick $ and not play them.
I haven`t researched it but I`d be surprised if any #1s didn`t play the year they were picked.

 

the cheating wasn't his dad. He cheated a shitload and kept doing it.

But I don't care about that. Nobody's shown me a good accuracy argument.

 

Why isn't Cam's completion percentage considered an indication of accuracy?