Gruden - Newton

"Hands covering the mouth when speaking may be an indicator of lying, although it may also just indicate uncertainty."

 

Just basing my opinion on history. Rookie QBs tend to get better over time. I know it's a crazy concept, but over history rookie QBs lose when they have to start.

 

But you can't un-do chicken shit. Accuracy improves, understanding of the game gets better, but being a chicken shit running away and chucking the ball outta bounds every time you feel the slightest bit of pressure. Well you can't fix that.

 

Judging a rookie QB based on his performance behind that Panther O line and team in general is a joke. There isn't a QB in the league that would have looked good behing that mess.

 

Steve Beuerlein had worse lines as a Panther and made the Pro Bowl.

 

Purr, you keep saying that no one should expect Newton to start. My question is why the fuck you would want the team to draft someone who won't help immediately given that Carolina was the worst team in the league, doesn't have a second round pick, and would have a very shortened free agency period to address any needs. Doesn't that pretty much preclude picking anyone who won't contribute significantly in 2011, or are we basically just flushing the next season down the toilet?

 

Your assuming our #1 pick (if we avoid a QB) will automatically start.

Bar QB, DT has seen quite a few draft busts that were selected highly also. Yes, we'd hope he'd come in and contribute immediately but its no guarenttee. So i guess Hurney deserves some credit for at least getting his first rounders right (although Davis and Otah are getting close to being labelled injury prone).

WR's are known to take some time to develop and adjust also.

My thing is, we have an opportunity to draft a quality athlete at QB with amazing potential but he will need time to adjust, like all rookie QBs should. I guess its a question of if you believe in him and if you want to give him that time. I believe if given the chance he will make more of an impact on this teams fortunes than any other player in the draft.

If that means i have to watch Jimmy start 8 games to start the season, so be it.

 

By answering this I'm not endorsing Newton, but you draft a guy like that for a hopeful long term solution. With the complexity of Chud's sytem it would make more sense to bring in a mid level vet to keep the boat steady until the rook is ready anyways. So a guy like Volek for 1-2 years starting would be ideal.

 

Sure. So - are you saying Clausen is worth a shit?

I'm saying he's not.

 

Duh, and or hello. If you choose someone with the #1 overall pick, that means your team is shit. If the player you select cannot start for your shit team, then you fucked up.

Ugh. No, it hasn't. Purr made this argument a while back and I showed that it wasn't true. DTs drafted high in the first round have actually been a very safe bet to contribute, and most of them have been impact players. Hardly any have been busts since that abominable class of '03 with Dewayne Robertson and Jonathan Sullivan.

How many fucking times are you going to make me repeat myself? Cam Newton does not have "amazing potential." Cam Newton does not have "amazing potential." Cam Newton does not have "amazing potential." Cam Newton does not have "amazing potential." Cam Newton does not have "amazing potential." He doesn't. Flat out, end of story, period. In the very best case scenario for him, he will never be an elite quarterback. That potential is not there. At best he could end up being a Josh Freeman / Vince Young hybrid, which is valuable and can win games in the NFL, but we are absolutely not talking about someone who has any chance at all of being considered the best quarterback in the NFL at any point of his career. That will not happen. He does not have that ceiling as a passer. So if we were talking about whether or not to take him at #10-#15, then sure, his risk/reward might be worth it, but there's simply no question that it's not a sensible choice at #1.