Lost Season V

Fantastic!

 

I think the dark guy from the beginning of the episode, the nemesis, is or somehow is directly related to the smoke monster.

We saw the smoke monster take the form of Mr. Eko's brother. We saw one of Hurley's hospital friends appear, as well as a horse of Kate's and Christian Sheppard. I think all of these people were manifestations of the same thing -- the nemesis of Jacob.

We know that Locke is dead, foreal.

There is some sort of competition between good and evil going on, something eluded to by Charles Widmore in other episodes. Until now, we thought Ben and Charles were at the center of this war, but we now know they are just part of it.

questions that I still have:

1) what exactly did the others do to Ben to bring him back from the brink of death when he was a child?

2) is Jacob "dead"?

3) why did Jacob give young Kate a lunchbox, young Sawyer a pen, Jack a candy bar and Hurley a guitar? Did he give anything to Sun and Jin (other than his blessing)? And why did he touch all of them?

4) Did Jacob save Sayid from being hit by the car or did he cause Nadia to be hit by the car?

5) What does Richard Alpert have to do with all of this?

6) Are Jacob and his nemesis Gods of some sort?

7) why is there only a foot of a statue left?

 

i was just discussing #6 this morning. i do believe they are gods of sorts, playing out a game with the humans. the game is their differing belief about humanity and this is their test. they've obviously been at it a long time. that was the black rock on the horizon and the statue was there. there was a reference to them having played out this game before. looks like jacob went around and picked out his team. he touched locke, too -- but didnt give him anything.

 

I don't think they're gods, but i think they're ancient. I think they've harnessed the powers of the island.

I think the 'loophole' has to do with destiny. Check this:

In the future, the nemesis of jacob has his life saved by jacob. So - he can't kill jacob in the past, or else jacob won't be there to save him in the future.

So the loophole was somehow becoming someone else - locke - who didn't need saving from jacob.

just a thought.

 

If all these people are just pawns of two "gods/beings" that are carrying out some sort of war game then well, well that will kinda suck.

 

could be the two are related, but i don't think every example you list is the necessarily the same being. my guess is that jacob and his nemisis are equals and both probably use the same techniques. my guess is that the techniques are very "hands off". jacob didn't try to protect himself from ben and "locke" didn't get physically involved, either. seems like a free will kind of thing.

it's all very biblical. are these two guys angels?

yeah, they keep turning sides back and forth. it gets a little annoying when suddenly ben becomes a sympathetic character, then he's back to being evil, then he's back to being good. i think they're just trying to show duality with all that -- which kind of gets to the metaphysical discussion between jacob and the other guy.

i think this was just a plot convenience to make the cause-effect loop (in trying to stop something, they actually caused it).

i doubt it.

i think these were just instances of pivotal moments in those people's lives, but it was interesting that he did give them each something (with locke, it seems to me he gave him life as locke took a deep breath and seemed to revive when jacob touched him). not sure if he gave something to sayid...

i'm guessing saved based on how he's being presented, but you never know -- jacob could turn out the be the bad guy the way this series works.

he seems to be a lot less important than he used to be. he seems downright clueless things these days. probably just an early inhabitant of the island. "ricardus" is what those people called him which certainly implies antiquity.

or angels/demons. i dunno. having special powers sort of implies it. not sure about the whole egyptian motif thing -- that's kinda odd, but the portal DOES take folks to north africa, doesn't it?

seems they're implying it's the incident that did it.

 

i think the loophole reference is sort of along the lines of cosmic rules that can't be broken. in this case, taking overt action against each other. odd that it would take so long to find such a loophole, tho, so maybe it's not that simple. i suppose ben might be special in some fashion -- relating to being saved by jacob or simply that he's one of the few who can interact with jacob in order to even attempt to stab him. perhaps that's why jacob never appeared to him before -- because ben has the ability to harm him...

clearly jacob saw this coming -- the tapestry he's weaving back in the 1800's is the one he pins to his cabin wall which instructs the group where to go -- so perhaps revealing himself to be killed is part of his plan to prove his point that man can be trusted with what the island has to offer (which seems like the basis of the argument between he and the other dude).

 

this is interesting. when are they from, i wonder?

 

so i'm watching the CSI season finale and who do i see? libby, playing a waitress at a diner. who's her old flame? jacob.

quirky timing.

side note: that csi episode also featured gerald mcrany who had a major role in deadwood along with jacob's nemisis, titus welliver.

 

3) I think he came to them at times of transition. If Kate was caught, she might not turn out to be the criminal that gets her on the Island. If Sawyer doesn't write the letter and hold the grudge, he doesn't go to Australia to kill "Sawyer".

4) I think he pulled Sayid away to avoid the vehicle and to keep him from saving Nadia. The touching part might be a way to ward off the time travel sickness in the future.


Just as an afterthought. Jacob said something about "they have arrived" and then we cut to the lady and her group with Locke's corpse. I wonder if Jacob might not now become Locke which is why he needed the body brought there.