Peppers to Pats for 2nd round pick pretty much done (mags edits because it's not)

Clayton said it's very early, and that it'll likely take more than the 34 pick.

 

Go fuck yourself, you ticking time bomb. I basically said last week that Marty Hurney is worthless. Does that sound like I'm wearing rose-colored glasses? Getting the 34th overall pick for a guy who was a UFA and had no intention of playing here, franchise tag or not, would be great.

 

Keeping Peppers around at $17 million will (using his words) cripple us.

Put it to you this way--we lack depth on both lines. Tying up $17 mill on one player, albeit all world, is horrendously stupid, considering the other needs.

And, yes, B&B is right. An early 2nd round pick is good value for a player who will be fucking miserable in Charlotte for another season. That said, Hurney's gonna squeeze a little more out of this, I do believe. I wouldn't be shocked to see another player thrown into the mix. Perhaps Hochstien? Perhaps Sammy Morris?

 

it's not enough in trade. Yes, getting something done is necessary. Getting something is better than nothing. That doesn't mean you take the first thing offered.

 

For as much shit as we all give Hurney, he's not going to take the first thing offered. I'm sure the team expects more than a 2nd round pick in exchange for the face of the franchise.

At the same time, JP's presence still doesn't cure what ails us, a horrid cap situation heading into the draft with 0 depth on either line.

I would be content with that 2nd rounder + a player of starting-caliber value.

 

That's all I have an issue with. That 34 = Peppers. And the Pats don't have anyone that isn't on their DL that I'd take. 34 and a backup OL does shit good for us.

 

You're fucked.

 

do you have any realistic ideas for players they'd want to unload that would also not blow?

 

nope

like i said, you're fucked

 

Carolina Panthers general manager Marty Hurney denied an Internet report Monday that the Carolina Panthers were working on a trade to send defensive end Julius Peppers to the New England Patriots for a second-round pick, 34th overall.

Furthermore, Hurney said he was unaware of any activity involving Peppers and other teams.

An NFL.com story indicated Carolina and New England were hoping to complete the trade sometime between next week's owners' meetings in Dana Point, Calif., and the draft in late April.

“By the rules of the (collective bargaining agreement), we cannot and have not had any conversations with other teams about Julius,” Hurney said in a statement. “Under the non-exclusive franchise tag, Julius and his agent, Carl Carey, are within their rights to talk to other teams about a potential contract. However, at this point, we are not aware of any such conversations.”

Carey did not return telephone messages.

Peppers' contract expired following the 2008 season, after which he and Carey said he wanted to move to another team. They said he was especially interested in playing in a 3-4 defense, which the Patriots employ.

Peppers and Carey were hoping the Panthers would not use their franchise tag on Peppers and instead allow him to become an unrestricted free agent. But the team tagged him just hours before the deadline last month after signing All-Pro left tackle Jordan Gross to a multi-year contract.

The Panthers have consistently said they want to keep Peppers, whose contract tender as a franchise free agent is counting $16.683million against the team's 2009 salary cap.

The team has very little salary-cap room, but seems willing to keep Peppers at that price. He counted nearly $14million against the Panthers' cap last season, when he had a career-high 141/2 sacks and was selected to his fourth Pro Bowl.

The CBA allows Peppers to talk to other teams, who could sign him to an offer sheet. The Panthers would have the right to match the offer sheet, or reject it and receive two first-round picks in return.

There also have been instances when teams have agreed to less compensation in trades involving franchise players, but the Panthers so far have been steadfast about the CBA's trade terms for franchise free agents.

-- Charles Chandler