Delhomme

ROCKS!

 

haha that better abusive and presidence99

 

Edit: Yeah, that was low.

 

haha uh oh somebody is getting upset...but just to let you know there big man i wouldnt take this to far bc i promise you will regret it..but feel free to do whatever you like.

 

generally agree. He's an average talent whose physical traits wouldn't be hard to duplicate.

So arm strength, reading defenses, and some accuracy are the only traits an NFL QB needs? Nothing else.

There are 25 guys weeded out of hundreds of QB prospects in a year and of those, a handful will be in the league long enough to make it past their rookie contract and those aren't necessarily the most talented.

I'd guess about half go as far as to gain some hype to get to compete for a starting job, or were already starting, and about 2/3rds of those players were good.

So again, 500 jump balls. Right. The Panthers did one thing over and over again and no one ever stopped it.

oh, and every deep ball is a "jump ball".

And, of course, the other quarterbacks on this team were just as successful. wait, do those five, including a pair of Heisman winners, the #1 picks, and everybody else, they weren't a part of the hundred, were they? They had Steve Smith.

Each of those players had arm, with one exception had experience, could read a defense, and could be considered able to throw the ball somewhat accurately. They did a great job replacing him, right? Not just last year, Weinke included.

and won a football game.

Of course, you can excuse everything that isn't Jake to Smith, and pretend that Jake has nothing to do with that. It's your argument, so I guess you'd have to stick with that anyway. It's a horrible argument, that there's absolutely nothing to Jake's career that isn't Steve Smith, except Moose and Moose doesn't count, except anything else but that doesn't count either. You can excuse about anything I guess.

Certainly, at the time I said it most of the team was playng like crap. Oh, wait, your want to distort my words came partially from your bias against me. Awesome!

And sure, people can say you're sensitive about a number of players and coaches.

ahh, the whole "quality of the player on the field is determined by the paycheck" thing again. The "why would you pay Jake Delhomme $10 mil (which he's still never had a cap value of, three seasons later) when you can have Brad Johnson for $2 mil" argument.

 

You've been around me long enough to know that even before all this Delhomme bullshit I've always said that quarterbacks are a dime a dozen if you know what to look for. Granted, teams usually have no idea, but I do. I believe that there are a handful of guys who are elite quarterbacks who cannot be replaced and whose skills elevate them above and beyond anyone else in football. After that you're mostly dealing with a bunch of guys whose success depends on their offensive line, their offensive coordinator, their receivers, and their ability to avoid dumb mistakes.

Did Michael Vick succeed pre-incarceration because he had a multitude of skills or because he could do one thing over and over again? Did no one ever try to stop him? The reality is this: Moose was very good at shielding defenders and leaping to catch deep passes, Delhomme has always been inclined to heave long passes in the direction of talented receivers, and no receiver besides Moose or Steve has ever had a thousand yard season with Jake as their quarterback.

Try to keep up. The notion that shell-shocked David Carr and 44 year old Vinny Testaverde prove that Jake is somehow special was rejected pages ago. I liked the Carr signing at the time because he did have talent, but he was gunshy, and you can't be a successful quarterback when you're gunshy. No one else we've had remotely qualifies as a competent alternative to Jake. That said, it's worth noting that Smith & Muhammad made even decrepit Rodney Peete into a decent quarterback statistically.

Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl. What's your point?

I'm not saying that you can take some bum off the street and have him be successful just because he's throwing to Steve Smith. But what I am saying is that you could take any number of backups around the NFL and they would have similar success throwing to Steve Smith and Muhsin Muhammad. Jake doesn't have a special arm, he doesn't have special accuracy, and he certainly doesn't have a special brain. Again, he went undrafted for a reason and he sat the bench for a reason. He's just a guy, but he lucked into a great situation and he's made a ton of money off of that. The point is that it could have been any number of other quarterbacks, and it still could be in the future.

I didn't distort your words at all. I quoted you accurately. You said that "the rest of the team, with a few exceptions, hasn't been any better" than Jake in that game. That was a mind-bogglingly idiotic thing to say. No one else on the team was remotely as bad as Delhomme against the Raiders, but you are incredibly sensitive to any criticism of Jake and you attempted to deflect attention by claiming that "the rest of the team, with a few exceptions," was playing just as badly. No one could say that without being influenced by biased. It was so unbelievably stupid that it's just not possible to say something that retarded objectively. Impossible.

Except that I'm not. I defend players who deserve to be defended when they deserve to be defended. If those same players suck ass later, I criticize them then. And most of the time I end up being proven correct.

Last I checked, the NFL was still played under a salary cap. Cost for performance ratio is critically important for team success. If you drastically overpay for some player unnecessarily, then that means a lot less money that you can spend for talent elsewhere.

 

Do like how on one hand, talent, accuracy, and reading a defense is all that's necessary. Until there are other examples, ones that aren't pristine examples (and certainly, neither is Jake if a ton of guys who don't have jobs can do them and he shouldn't be starting), and then those don't count. And shitty receivers like Keary Colbert didn't get 1000 yard seasons, so that determines 100% who created anything.

When you make broad reaching statements and then have to use this many exceptions to try to make it stick, either the idea is wrong or the statement itself is wrong. Your argument is two statements that I disagreed with, and a hundred excuses as to why this works in a vacuum and not in real life, just like the ideal of continually recycling quarterbacks.

I do like the idea that "you're mostly dealing with a bunch of guys whose success depends on their offensive line, their offensive coordinator, their receivers, and their ability to avoid dumb mistakes", in a team game that everyone's familiar with already.

you were the only one that really had a problem with it. Shocking. Just like you saying you have no biases.

 

once again collin makes himself sound like a jackass and thinks he knows what to look for in a QB over every person in the country

 

I KNOW, RIGHT?

 

It's difficult to tell if there is any sarcasm.