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Discussion in 'Religion & Spirituality Forum' started by 84niner, Nov 5, 2008.

  1. CunningRunt

    CunningRunt Full Access Member

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    There were also no doctors. Also, please refer to Chipshots' post.

    Were some of those animals dinosaurs? If so, I bet it was either hard as hell to compete with them for food...or people were constantly running for their lives. But dinosaurs existed before the evolution of man, so this can't be true.

    If God promised us 70 years, why do some people die before then?
     
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    You will find the dinosaurs and huge sea creatures in book of Job 40: 15-24. and Job 41: 1-34 God compares the Power of Job with that of the Leviathan.
     
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    I must be honest. I do not know what you just said. So, since I don't know what you said let me confuse you more. Think of the tree as the skeleton system. The cord that runs up the spinal cord is the spirit and the ribs that branch out like limbs of a tree is the soul. This is what the spirit and soul is which I must add the spirit is the intellect and the soul is the body.
     
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    Never heard that story
     
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    In Genesis it says that God forbade Adam & Eve to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good & evil. The penalty for that, he tells them, is death.
    When the serpent asks Eve about it, she tells it what God told them. But then the serpent tells her that isn't true--they would not die. Rather, they'd "become like gods, knowing good & evil."

    In the same position, I'd feel suspicious of having information withheld from me. I feel that way now when anyone tries to censor something or keep me from finding out something. My position is, why should anyone be afraid of knowledge, of truth? I would be suspicious, & I would resent being kept ignorant.

    What kind of God wants blind adulation from creatures he has kept ignorant?

    At least on the surface, it looks as if what the serpent said to Eve was true. The fruit did result in their eyes being opened to new knowledge. And they both lived, according to the bible, for hundreds of years after that. So--did the serpent lie? Did God lie?
     
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    I'll try to simplify my belief.

    1. Man was/is made in the image of God. We exist in 3 components Flesh (physical body), Spirit(ual body), and Soul (the binding force between them). This corresponds with the trinity and respectively to the Son, Father, and Holy Spirit. Man was created to be God's representative in the physical world. Adam lived in both the physical and spiritual realm at the same time. He wasn't a mere man as we see ourselves. This is why Christ is referred to as the second Adam.

    2. Eden was a spiritual place and possibly not so much as a geographic point as a state of being. The two trees where spiritual representations of obedience and disobedience to the will of God. The act of eating the fruit was not what condemned man but rather disobedience/lack of faith. Satan's lie was that knowing good and evil, they would be "LIKE" God.

    3. When Man rebelled and disobeyed, the soul was damaged by his sin, thus expelling him from Eden and the connection between the physical and spiritual realm began do decay. It is illustrated when Christ takes on the sin's of man he is punished in the same way and feels torn from the Father.
     
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    The serpent lied. The serpent's statement had two parts.
    In eating, they did die and they were not like God. God does not know good or evil, good and evil exists as representations of the will of God. The relationship between God and men is not one of knowledge, it is one of faith, trust and submission. Actually, it was the same lie which caused Satan to be cast from the heavens.
     
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    Leviathan literally means "whale", which is not a dinosaur.
     
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    Don't sit under it.

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    Id rather just think of the tree as a tree (and a simple metaphor). I think your complicating it by trying to bring the trinity into it. Ive always imagined it as a serpent in the tree that tempts Eve. No need to make the tree and the serpent one.

    Your whole tangent seems to be based on believing an apple tree cant have knowledge so it must have been a man. Seems your discounting Faith from the get go.

    Genesis 4.1 says "And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD."

    When they say "knew" that means he shagged her. Cain was the son of Adam.
     

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