Manny a Dodger

• Boston trades 2 players that have been on the Red Sox roster this year in addition to Manny
• They pay his salary for the rest of the year
• They lose the 2 1st round picks they would have gotten had they kept him until the end of the season and then let him walk

He must have been a royal pain in the ass for them

 

The veterans went to Francona and Theo, saying he had to go. They didn't feel he was going to try the rest of the season.

 

I wonder if Manny gives a shit about anyone but Manny? I was listening to the radio on the way in and they were wondering if anyone would give him a mega deal (20 mil + per year) considering his past. I laughed. Of course someone will

I guess we can add him to the list along with TO.

 

Manny goes against Randy Johnson tonight. 1st pitch right in the earhole

 

I think the Red Sox kept him around the last two years to keep David Oritz happy. Ortiz was one of the ones to go to management and say, give him the heave ho.

If a National League team signs him, that would be the dumbest move ever. The Giants probably will.

I won't lie, I did DVR his debut on the baseball package. Vin Scully said an extra 11,000 tickets were sold after news of the trade. Place still only looked 65% full.

 

You're just making up excuses to avoid admitting that you were wrong. You said "the Red Sox have been the best organization in baseball at knowing the value of their players and the market." That statement does not have anything to do with winning a championship, it's strictly about knowing the market. And as demonstrated, no team that paid J.D. Drew $75 million or Julio Lugo $36 million can claim to be the best at knowing value.

That statement is just laughably ignorant to anyone who has been through Oakland. In mileage, sure, it's close to San Francisco, but demographically it might as well be a different world.

Stop talking until you actually learn something because you are embarrassing yourself. San Francisco is an overwhelmingly white, affluent city. Oakland is an overwhelmingly black, poor city. It would be like trying to say that Marietta and Atlanta are the same because they're close to each other, or Georgetown and downtown D.C.

Once again you are embarrassing yourself with a stunning degree of ignorance. Haren came in the Mulder trade, while future stars like Brett Anderson came from trading Haren. No one has done nearly as well as Billy Beane in trading players at the height of their value, or in identifying minor leaguers to target. Oakland is considered to have the most quality pitching depth of any organization precisely because Beane has known which guys to part with. The only one of those guys you mentioned who didn't work out in letting them go was Hudson, as none of the players they got in return have amounted to anything. Every other trade was a win for the A's.

If I had to win one game tomorrow, yes I would much rather have Lowe. Over the next three or four years, I'd rather have Matsuzaka, but he needs to dramatically cut down the walks. That said, you're trying to distract from the issue. You said that Matsuzaka was the better value, which was obviously wrong.

That is the most pathetic excuse you've used yet. Did the Red Sox have to pay it to get him or not? Yes, so it counts.

 

The place looked full by the fifth inning. The Dodger crowd will never change.

 

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  They are both worthless. Moss may become a decent player but Hansen can't throw an off speed pitch for a strike and you can't pitch off your fastball in the majors like you can in AAA. They were going to trade him or send him back down anyway.
  
  
  They were going to have to pay it anyway and he had already proven that he was not above laying down and basically trying to throw games.
  
  
  

But they get Jayson Bay instead of those two picks who is in a reasonable contract for a couple more years. That's a pretty good trade off.

Manny is a big bat to lose but he will not get the protection of hitting between Ortiz and Youkilis in LA. Ortiz was always the biggest bat in that lineup anyway and it was proven many times when teams would intentionally walk him to get to Manny.

On the flip side, Bay has more home runs than anyone on the Sox this year, including Manny, and has never had the luxury of batting in the Boston lineup where he will get a lot better pitches to hit. Not to mention he will make them much better defensively.

 

That's not correct. In fact, teams almost never walked Ortiz to get to Manny. Only in '06 and '07 did Ortiz have more than 10 IBBs in a season, and most of the ones from those two years came while Manny missed time. Compare that with Ramirez, who was intentionally walked an average of 20 times per year during his first six years with the Red Sox. Ortiz's intentional walk numbers are going to go way up once again.