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Official - Alex Stepheson Transferring

Discussion in 'Charlotte Hornets' started by UncOverDukeEasy, May 16, 2008.

  1. Clay

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    That's bull and you know it. There's no way they'll be able to replace Stepheson's production next year. Frankly I'm surprised he didn't just declare for the draft, he's such an amazing potential and has shown such flashes that he'd go #3 behind Rose and Beasley.
     
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    Well I would rather have him back, but since the scholly opened and you have the 2 freshmen coming in, there was no need to add another big man. SG is more of a need, especially if something crazy happens and both Ellington and Green don't come back.
     
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    Is hyperbole just your standard response to getting your ass kicked in an argument? It seems like you'd have gotten tired of that by now, but no, you keep doing it every time you're bitter about losing yet again.

    I backed up what I said and provided major media corroboration for my opinion. I also proved that you were fucking clueless when you claimed that the NBA drafts high schoolers on potential but college players on production. I also proved that similarly raw but physically gifted players have been going in the teens. The fact is that NBA scouts are high on Stepheson, and it seems likely that he would have been a sought after commodity in the '09 draft if he had stayed at Carolina and had a strong season.

    So shut your mouth and stop being such a bitch every time you feel humiliated about losing an argument. If you can't just deal with being a know-nothing putz, then use some of that bitterness in a productive way by actually reading and studying things such that you might actually be able to articulate a position next time. Seems to me that would be a healthier way of dealing with embarrassment than more hyperbole and whining. I just get so tired of you being a bitch every single time you lose an argument. Suck it up and act like a man instead of a pussy. Jesus.
     
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    Let the N B A come knocking .

    What ever might have happen had he stayed ,can still happen now that he has left .
    If N B A is that high on ALEX,then he will be in the N B A .
     
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    Hyperbole is my response to you being an arrogant retard. You find one line by one sports writer who doesn't even quote an actual scout, and preach it as the gospel.

    Writers are idiots. They make stuff up, and are occasionally prone to hyperbole.

    Find me an actual quote by a real scout or GM or NBA personnel guy claiming that Stepheson is lottery worthy and I'll admit that I was wrong.
     
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    It's a standard tactic for morons who are embarrassed about losing an argument to demand ever higher and more unrealistic standards of proof. Why not ask me to get a GM to register and post here about Stepheson? There is no reason whatsoever to think that Staples would lie about scouts drooling over Stepheson. He is not some Carolina fan posting on a message board. He is a professional writer whose livelihood depends on him not making things up, or did you not realize that doing so would be grounds for losing his job?

    And by the way, Captain Retard, even someone like me who barely follows basketball knows that anyone professionally affiliated with an NBA team is barred from publicly commenting about an underclassman. So because you're embarrassed about being proven wrong with that article from Sports Illustrated, you're asking me to produce something the NBA itself forbids. Either you were too stupid to know that was against NBA rules or you knew and were dishonest enough to demand it anyway.


    Stop whining every time I make you feel like an illiterate peon. Just deal with it and move on, because every time you pipe up with another bitching session you just make things worse for yourself.
     
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    Actually I remembered this morning that you wouldn't actually find any direct quotes due to tampering. So you're right there, congrats!

    He has athletic potential. That's about where it ends. He's a decent defender, but tends to pick up a lot of fouls. He's a decent rebounder (better than Thompson, almost exactly the same rebounds per minute as Hansbrough) and shot blocker (actually about the same production/minute as Thompson) but has absolutely no offensive game.

    As somebody who watches and plays a LOT of basketball, I don't see it. I see a guy who should and perhaps could be more effective and productive, but who's not put it together. But draft guys are always happy to take a flyer on an athletic big guy, so who knows.

    But even as you seem to realize, a guy who making NBA draft scouts drool doesn't equate to an effective college player, which makes your claim that they are going to miss him more than Ellington puzzling. And as you say, it's really baffling that he'd go sit for a year; maybe he doesn't see himself as an NBA player? There are lots of guys who have amazing physical potential but can't put it together mentally. Reyshawn Terry was a 6-8 guy with range, a decent handle, and ridiculous amount of physical ability. But as one guy I talked who actually played with him in AAU ball, he was dumb as a stump.
     
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    Yeah, I'm sure you conveniently remembered "this morning," right before reading the part where I pointed it out.
    Just stop talking, seriously. You are not intelligent or insightful, so the more you talk, the more nonsense comes out. It's like watching a midget try to dunk a basketball. It's never going to end well for you.

    A lot of big men get drafted in the first round and even at the bottom of the lottery based on athletic potential. I've already given a number of examples. But to elaborate on Stephenson's skills, he isn't uncoordinated offensively like a Ben Wallace. There is nothing that will prevent him from developing an offensive game, he's just extremely raw in that respect. Honestly it probably would have been better for him to start out at a school where he could have played more and developed that part of his game. Someone like Thompson is never going to be a good defender because he's soft and has bad habits. Stepheson has the potential to become solid or better offensively, though, while he admittedly sucks right now. Working with someone raw is much easier than working with someone who has bad habits or natural limitations.
    If watching a lot of something made you qualified to judge, sports talk radio wouldn't be overflowing with call-in idiots, would it?
    I've already explained repeatedly that not only did I expect Stepheson to have a breakout season where he would become productive, but that Carolina has guys who can score. They don't have interior defenders or physical rebounders. Ellington is a much, much better college player than Stepheson, but that's not the same question. It seems as if you're having difficulty seeing the difference.
    Never going to be a great player. Someone who has an eye for athletic performance can tell the difference between a guy who might become something better and one who is just a waste of talent. It's why some people could be really excited about Tim Duncan as a freshman even though he averaged only 9.8 points per game and wasn't a highly touted prospect like Rasheed Wallace, or talk about how impressive some backup named Tom Brady was in a preseason game against the Panthers, or that some guy named Dennis Tankersley pitching in the Florida State League would one day make the major leagues. Some people are just blessed with the ability to instinctively spot athletic potential. Most aren't.
     

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