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Oklahoma or Pittsburgh...........

Discussion in 'College Football Forum' started by outofstate, Dec 1, 2007.

  1. Collin

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    I am amazed by your cleverness.
     
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    Which only proves how stupid you really are.
     
  3. LRBaseballer

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    wrong. a playoff system would allow WVU a chance to still play for the title. The current system will not. So, WVU lost one particular game and they are inferior according to the current system (Losing tonight, without their starting, heisman trophy candidate, quarterback for most of the game). LSU lost one particular game (ARK, where they ran into a man, mcfadden, who was on fire and not a team) and they are inferior. Mizzou lost one particular game, and they are inferior. Oklahoma beat the current #1 team in the nation....TWICE!! and they are left out, but they did lose to colorado and Texas Tech. USC lost to Stanford in a fluke and then to Oregon at Autzen, where it's always hard to win. But we all know they are probably playing the best football in the nation right now. They are NOT in! Meanwhile, Georgia, who didn't even go to their conference championship game (and lost to a now unranked South Carolina team in Athens) is standing in line to receive a National Championship game invitation because of that one particular game that a couple of teams have lost.
     
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    I like how the refs were trying to help WVU win with phantom calls that were waaaay late.
     
  5. Collin

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    wossa:
    I take it that "I know you are, but what am I?" represents the extent of your intellectual abilities. Again, very impressive.


    The funny thing is that you are so completely inept that you don't even realize that other people marvel at your abject stupidity. Dumbass, you said "how can you honestly say that Pitt is better than West Virginia? Just because they beat them? Thats god-awful." A playoff is what says that, you inbred retard. If West Virginia hadn't also lost to USF, it wouldn't matter that they lost tonight to Pitt. The BCS system values the performance of a team over the course of the entire season. Please tell me that you aren't too dumb to understand that concept.
    No, cumstain. A playoff is what says that losing one game makes you inferior. Again, if WVU hadn't lost any other games they'd still be in the BCS championship because their body of work during the regular season would have earned them that right despite the loss tonight.
    Actually they aren't, but I'm not at all surprised that you're such an addle-brained sheep that you would simply assume that everything television commentators tell you is correct. USC isn't substantively different now from what they were during the middle of the season, and they're not playing the best football in the nation. Some people, yourself included, have been fooled into thinking that they're awesome because they beat two names they recognize (Cal and UCLA), even though those two teams are both just 6-6.
     
  6. LRBaseballer

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    COLLIN! ITS STILL THE REGULAR SEASON YOU RETARD! The current system has killed WVU's chances at a title because they lost the last game of the regular season. THIS WOULD NOT BE A PLAYOFF GAME! This game would simply lower WVU's standing (They still won the Big East and are guaranteed a trip to the playoffs) and force them to play a tougher opponent in the first round. What are you not understanding here? Why are you including Pitt in the playoff system?
     
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    Pittsburgh won................Oklahoma won...........Ohio State should go to the NC.
     
  8. Collin

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    No, it hasn't. As I already explained to you twice, West Virginia would still be in if they hadn't also lost to USF. The BCS model generally doesn't care when you lose a game, it only cares how many you lost and how you performed in the rest relative to the competition you faced.
    No shit, sherlock. Good lord, the one blessing of being as stupid as you are is that you will never know how utterly difficult and frustrating it is to be a fully functioning adult and feel compelled to actually explain something to someone of your incredibly limited intellect. I'm saying that a playoff system is what says that one game determines who is better. If this had been a playoff game, the playoff format would say that Pitt is a better team than West Virginia because Pitt beat them on that day and only one team gets to advance. That's the fundamental difference between a playoff and the BCS. The BCS looks at the whole schedule, not just one game, while playoffs don't care about anything that happened previously. The only thing that counts in a playoff is what you did on that one day.

    Again, if this were part of a playoff, it would say that Pitt is better than West Virginia, which is obviously not true. By extending the same logic you can see that any 4 or 8 or 16 team playoff could feature similar upsets where the clearly better team loses and yet they're suddenly out because of one game regardless of what they did during the regular season. Until you actually understand that concept, please do not discuss this with me any more. You need to catch up with the logic before you continue to talk. I understand that some people are slower than others, so I'll wait for you to grasp the idea and I'll be glad to discuss it with you further once you do.
     
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    I very seriously doubt that.

    Once again, There is no way that Pitt would be in the playoffs. Because Pitt upset West Virginia, because WVU stumbled in One particular game, they will not play for the title.

    The teams in the playoffs would probably be the top 16 teams in the nation, I don't think that any major upsets would occur. So what if a 2 loss #16 beat a 1 loss #1 in the first round? That's not nearly as big an upset as Pitt beating WVU and keeping them out of the National Championship.

    You still don't get it Collin. You are really looking dumb while your argument includes something that WOULDN'T HAPPEN. So, until you can grasp the idea that this is still the regular season, and there are AT LEAST 16 teams in the nation that deserve a shot, quit speaking. A playoff is the best way to determine who is the best team....not rankings where there are human influence.
     
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    If West Virginia only had one loss, they would be in you fucking retard. You are seriously too stupid to live, much less converse with other human beings on the internet. Ohio State has one loss, but they're in because that's the only one they lost. The same would be true for the Mountaineers if they hadn't previously lost to USF.
    I'm guessing that the only way someone could end up as hopelessly stupid as you are is if your mother tried and tried to abort your fetus but just couldn't kill you off. Do you still have clothes hanger scars? Did she end up scooping out half your brain but you made it through to your birth anyway?

    The problem here is that you are too much of a moron to understand abstractions. I'm trying to explain the flaw in the logic, you idiot, but unfortunately you don't understand anything that isn't literal and concrete. No, Pitt vs. WVU was not a playoff game. Everyone gets that. But unfortunately you fail to grasp the significance of what would happen if it was. Playoffs are the format that declare a team is better based on one particular day, so if those two teams had been playing the first round of a playoff, Pitt would have been "the better team" and advanced, while West Virginia's season would be over.
    You don't think any major upsets would occur? Then why play games at all? Good grief, you so stupid that you make my head hurt.
    Not nearly as big, no, but still evidence that looking at any one particular day doesn't tell who the better team was. The only difference is one of scale. So if Pitt vs. WVU shows us without any doubt that the winner of one particular game is not necessarily the better team, then any system which eliminates teams based on one loss on a particular day is obviously not going to have much success identifying "the best team." If you had a 16 team playoff where Team A went 12-0 while dominating everyone, but slipped up in the first round against Team P with an 8-4 record, what did you accomplish with your playoff system? The fact that Team P lost four more games during the regular season would have meant nothing at all.
    Again, the most frustrating thing about you is that you're so stupid that you don't even realize that you are, in fact, stupid. It's a paradox.
    That's what you do when you discuss abstractions and hypotheticals, retard. You use examples and scenarios of things that have not actually happened in order to evaluate structural merit. Unfortunately you lack the intellect to grasp anything that requires higher brain function.
    No, it isn't, dumbass. I have already proved you wrong about numerous things, including the idea that the MLB playoffs "certainly" crown the best team, so shut your moronic mouth and don't speak up again until you've somehow managed to supercharge that pea-sized brain of yours to the point that you can grasp basic logic and having something reasonably resembling a complex conversation.
     

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