All you "experts" who wanted to start Moore

If Moore starts then he almost certainly throws some picks and makes it harder for us to win.

 

I'm talking exactly the same, front to back. terminology, everything. The terminology may have changed for Davidson, and it's certainly not being run with the same objectives, but I'm willing to bet that his experience with this overall system played a big part in him being here.

Sure. Of course, that's what the weekly gameplan's about, and you don't have to have knowledge of that, you just do what they tell you. The hard part for him was knowing his receivers, I'm sure. You have to have some knowledge there. We didn't run as much, possibly in part to limit the number of plays we had to use for him there, but fuck if I know whether that actually played a part, I'm just guessing that since we used less runs than usual but with more variance of formation.

 

I have no idea how you can say that with a straight face. Only 4 of Vinny's 33 attempts were of any significant distance downfield. The chance of any competent QB throwing interceptions on those routes would be very small. You can't even point out one throw Testaverde attempted that was actually difficult.

Which still does not make them the same offense. Again, our playbook and terminology supposedly changed drastically, and yet the offense on the field looks pretty much like what the offense did last year under Henning. That's because the players and more importantly the philosophy has remained the same.

 

He threw a pass against the Saints that should have been picked and ran back for a TD but was dropped by the defender. That pass was not very long, not sure if it was less than 10 yards or not, but it was not a long pass.

 

What pass? It's interesting to me that in all our discussions about Carr's performance against New Orleans, no one else mentioned a pass that "should have been picked and ran (sic) back for a TD but was dropped by the defender." I think your memory is playing tricks on you, which is further evidence that you simply want Carr to be bad. You want it so desperately that you invent excuses in your imagination.

But for the record, dump off passes carry a low risk of interception, but it's not guaranteed, obviously. Tipped balls can result in turnovers, and Testaverde did have one on the screen floated to DeAngelo that was nearly picked and run back for a TD (but was caught on the hop instead). Again, I'm not saying that Vinny was bad or blaming him for the fact that we were extremely conservative in the passing game. I'm pointing out that we didn't ask him to do anything difficult.

 

You're talking about a rookie being in the offense for month of PRACTICE...Moore wasn't even in this offense during the pre season, and this is the first time he's seeing this stuff in his entire life, much less having to run it in a real game against a real defense that is allowed to hit him.

Vinny has played MANY meaningful games in this system before, and understands what it takes to prepare for, and start a game against any defense an opponent can throw at him. The comparison is not even close, on paper or otherwise. If you can't see that, then you are a fraud when you call yourself a professional sports reporter. You should also know by now that Fox is only going to start a rookie at QB when he has absolutely no other choice...that's just common sense. You don't need to be a professional "anything" to figure that out...all you need to do is follow this team.

 

link? or do you mean from Henning's to Davidson's?

A little bit too much so, IMO, but nonetheless, the designed offense with Davidson/Jake had many changes. If nothing else, some of the things we should've been doing anyway. But we've got a lot to go from here.
I don't think we'll suddenly become an elite passing offense, or that we won't have the Fox influence on tricks, running, and so on. I think the goals will be the same overall, and we both realize the change wasn't made to get a different philosophy in, we're still going to run the ball as much as possible.

 

Vinny threw one pass 30 yards and Steve made it 65 yard TD... who couldn't have made that throw? and that's more than 25% of his yards for the day

take away that fluke INT and the 75 yard RUN, we fucking lose while leading the turnover battle 3-0... (the 5th was just desparation after Williams put it away)

two turnovers in the cards first 3 drives and we go into the half down 6-7?

get the fuck out of here with testeverde... he fucking sucks

 

It is not like we had Carr trying to thread a needle 60 yards down field when he played either. We were pretty conservative with him too, Vinny just got more out of his chances than Carr did.

 

I'm really starting to worry about the fabric of the universe. If people on both sides don't stop overreaching, that fucker is going to tear.

Moore is an undrafted rookie that wasn't even on the original 53 man team roster at the beginning of the season. That Fox trusted an old veteran more is unsuprising.

Vinnie played decently with the hand he was dealt, dumped it off short, avoided the picks, made a couple of intermediate throws to keep them honest, and made the one play we had to have. He and Fox knew that was all we needed against an offense that made ours look like the 99 Rams.

Vinnie doesn't have 10 starts in him. He may not have 10 hits. If we need him later, let's save him. I don't want to see him trying to sprint away from Freeney and Mathis.