Carr's opportunity

to be fair to Carr, Colbert/Carter have both dropped that same pass from Carr. I was more surprised that Colbert caught that ball than I was Moore threw it. We definately took a blow losing Jake,it sucks indeed. I dont really care what Carr did in Houston, thats old news. I hope he kicks ass from here on out. If Moore is the guy, so be it,but the Panthers spent cash on Carr, so thats what we got. to be optomistic, I say if hes in a learning curve with this team, at least hes doing it with an ugly win.

 

It's like you're intentionally not paying attention. We did not call enough pass plays period. This is not Tom Moore's offense or Madden 2008. We don't feature a lot of audibles regardless, and Carr probably isn't comfortable enough as the starter to be calling those anyway. The gameplan was apparently to run and run and run some more, even though it wasn't having success. It is not Carr's responsibility to call the game, it's Davidson's. Ultimately we won anyway, but considering that Carr generally did well when asked to throw, it was somewhat frustrating that we tried it so little. Moreover, on screen plays there are generally not multiple options in the passing tree because of the blocking. So that's why Carr was forced to throw it away on that 3rd and 7.

It's funny that you're so arrogant yet ultimately ignorant that you didn't even realize that we called the exact same play on Carr's first pass of the season late in the third quarter of that Atlanta game, the difference being that Colbert dropped a perfectly thrown ball that would have netted similar yardage. The go/fly is an easy route to throw, which is why we did so in those two situations when the defense didn't expect us to pass. It is not a route of any significant complexity and does not require much in the way of timing or rapport. It's an easy throw to make, which is why we called it for each backup's first attempt.

Oh good lord, now you're just grasping at straws. Moore was only in for one series.

You have never played the position at any relevant level, unless you pretend that being a high school backup or Peewee starter somehow qualifies you as an expert. Carr did not cause the line to block poorly, and there was nothing about his handoffs that hindered our backs. Nor, as I noted earlier, were the Saints bringing an eighth man into the box. As such, Carr had absolutely nothing to do with our inability to run the ball effectively, and suggesting otherwise only demonstrates incompetence and extreme bias on your part.

Your problem is that you're arguing emotionally and not logically. Of the 19 (two were penalties) passes that Carr threw, six were deep attempts. One was called back by a holding penalty, one resulted in illegal contact, another was caught for 27 yards, one was dropped by Steve, and the other two were accurate but broken up by good defensive plays. The part people keep trying to explain to you but which you don't seem to understand because you're in the midst of a spastic fit is that we didn't call many pass plays against New Orleans at all. Even Moore only had two attempts. When actually given the opportunity to pass at all, Carr looked deep with a fair amount of frequency and did so with accuracy.

Then you haven't been looking. Only two of his passes against New Orleans were even inaccurate. He was hampered by poor play-calling and ineffective running that left us in third and longs too often. On our nine possessions (not counting the one right before the half), we had consecutive running plays on first and second down seven times (a couple of which we converted anyway).

Me too, but you know what? That has absolutely ZERO to do with Carr. As I've stated in other threads, he does not rank in the top 5 of our most pressing concerns. He didn't play well against Tampa Bay, but was far from the biggest problem in that game, and he actually did play reasonably well against New Orleans but that game stayed close because we sucked in so many other areas.

That's an understandable emotional reaction, but it's not a rational one. Carr has not looked like Weinke out there. While he isn't as productive as Jake, he does give the Panthers every chance to win. There is nothing about his performance so far, even the poor one against the Bucs, that prevents us from winning games. The run defense, pass defense, run blocking, and special teams have all been bigger issues in our failure to meet expectations.

 

My main problem with Carr is that he throws to guys that aren't open. It seemed like most every completion in the TB game, the guy catching the ball had a guy right on him to tackle him.

Maybe he is being cautious and not really going through the reads properly.

 

Wasn't Moore's second pass almost picked off by a linebacker? Seems like I remember it bouncing off his chest.

 

What are you doing bringing facts and perspective into this discussion?

 

Yes, he scared the hell out of me.

 

Hell, I was gonna say the same thing. If you can have moderate success running short routes to Andre Johnson, Davidson would be well advised to design some short stuff to Smith.

 

my biggest disappointment so far in the offense in its theory is that we aren't featuring Smith. We did a lot of interesting stuff in the first couple series of the first game, and haven't even scripted much since. And without a single valuable receiver other than Smith, it's harder to pull him off the split end to be able to move him around.

 

I miss the Smith checkdown that would go for 60 yards in 2005.

 

because if it was, Carr would have thrown 11 interceptions