Will you watch Bonds break the record

yeah, baseball has changed way too much since it started. They showed on sportscenter the track of the HR record. It was like 138 or whatever until Ruth owned it with 715. All the rules, stadiums, steroids, live balls and everything else made this record irrelevant.

When you have pitchers who actually got suspended for using steroids giving up HR's to Bonds, then it really doesn't matter. The game has more problems than just bonds.

 

I and others have gone through the trouble to statistically analyze the effects of park changes, expansion, etc. Those have largely been negligible, and while we can't know for sure how many players have used steroids, observation of the individuals known to have done so coupled with overall offensive trends suggests that it has been the principle difference between this and earlier eras.

That's not accurate. Both the hitter and pitcher using steroids doesn't cancel out the effect, it amplifies it. Higher velocity means more swings and misses, but it also means more distance when contact is made.

 

I don't disagree with that, however my point was more about how steroids and performance enhancers are more seeded in MLB than just bonds. There was even a dipshit that was caught for the 3rd time recently. Bonds getting the record is more like the stink on the shit.

 

Giants/Nats Game Was Blacked Out in NC

Hmmmmmm, it looks like all Time Warner Cable fans missed a chance to watch the historic home run. Because of their still ongoing feud with MASN (which carries the O's & Nats games), Time Warner is still refusing to air the network (they want to put it on digital tier, MASN wants it on basic cable).

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August 07, 2007



Giants - Nationals not on local TV


The Wilmington Star
Chuck Carree

If you tuned in to ESPN2 on Monday night to watch San Francisco slugger Barry Bonds' attempt to break Hank Aaron's all-time home run record, you noticed the game was blacked out. The game also was blacked out for Major League Baseball Extra Innings subscribers.

None of the Giants' four-game series will be available on extra innings in Eastern North Carolina because this region is part of the Washington Nationals' territory. Under MLB TV rules, the Mid-Atlantic Sports Network has exclusive rights to Nationals' telecasts across the region.

MASN is available on every cable or satellite system in Eastern North Carolina except Time Warner Cable, which services Wilmington.

Sports Pack subscribers on DirecTV can see the rest of the series on MASN2, channel 671.

ESPN and espn.com will have live coverage to each of Bonds' at-bats during the home-run chase.

 

we don't know aaron wasn't cheating (or Ruth for that matter. Jeff Kent once asked, serious'y, how people are sure Ruth wasn't on steroids). Don't know for sure, but I don't think steroids were around in Aaron's playing days. The rules in baseball haven't changed that much. certainly less than all other sports. But there are some meaningful differences. Ruth, obviously, played with inferior equipment and the balls were less lively during his playing days. He also had to contend with larger ballyards. Aaron played the majority of his career when the mound was 15" high, a distinct advantage for pitchers. I guess an argument could be made that pitching now is better and deeper than it was when Ruth and Aaron played, and Bonds likely had to contend with pitchers who were also juiced up.

 

If Babe Ruth cheated it was from eating, drinking, and smoking too much.

My kind of record.

 

Steroids were not around till the 1950's I believe. Or they weren't sold illegally in mass quantity till the 1950's. There sure as hell weren't steroids back in the 1920's in huge amounts and Ruth had a natural progression and started falling off after he turned 35. Aaron has used greenies but that is nothing like what athletes use today. Giambi and Bonds were up to 50 pills a week along with absorbing drugs by placing them under their tongues. The fact that Bonds has zero rings puts him behind Ruth, Aaron, and Mays to me. When you look at who the best of all time is you have to look at them in October to separate them and until Bonds started taking birth control, clomid, cream and clear, winstrol, deca-durabolin, HGH, and everything else under the sun he was A-Rod in October before A-Rod. Look at this link. He started using winstrol in 1999, but then Conte and Anderson put him on everything in 2000. The change is extroardinary (Sp?) http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1640086_1640085_1640059,00.html

 

sure but cheating today is steroids. different eras have different techniques, i'd wager. i'm not making any claims about who did or didn't cheat, just that cheating isn't a new fad and steroids aint the only game in town.

 

You have a problem, seriously. You pontificate on absolutely everything, even subjects you have absolutely no clue about. Do you see me babbling in the hockey forum? Money? Photography? If you don't know anything about baseball, there is no reason for you to post in the baseball forum unless you are asking someone a question.

Steroids don't legitimately compare to greenies, scuffing the ball, spitballs, or even corked bats. They produce dramatic changes in the body and therefore the abilities of the athlete. Statistically speaking, this modern steroid era is completely unlike anything baseball has ever seen before. There have been ebbs and flows in offense (strikeouts and pitch velocity are also way up), but nothing even close to this. As I said before, I have been involved in statistical analyses of this very subject in order to quantify the effect of steroids, and the results were even more significant than I had expected.

If you don't care about baseball or baseball's records, then shut up. You have nothing to contribute to this conversation besides your incessant need to argue absolutely everything and your seeming mission to annoy every individual on the face of the planet.

 

Home Runs are up 100% since Aaron hit 755. The more players that jack 600 I think the more it diminishes Bonds which is always a good thing in my book. especially if A-Rod and Pujols both pass the Babe.