camp thoughts

The whole snap count thing stuck in my head when I read this article in SI the other week:

Anyway, carry on.

 

Hate to break up the snap count battle, but today was kind of a big day at camp on the account of Beason showing up. From Panthers.com...

Teammate and fellow University of Miami product Dan Morgan was impressed.

“I don’t think he’s behind,” said Morgan. “There are guys who have been here since the beginning who are still learning and making mistakes. Ken (LB coach) does a great job of teaching. Jon’s a good guy, and I know he’ll learn quickly.”


Beason himself said that he needs to get in better shape. Said he's been running his ass off at home, but that it didn't translate to "football shape." Not a bad read, surprisingly ...

http://www.panthers.com/Common/Article.aspx?id=21976

 

So Henning shouldn't try to fix a theoretical flaw in his offense?

 

interesting, and not coincidentally, we blew against the blitz.

Whatever, or whoever, you want to blame or absolve, something could've been better, and that something is all inclusive. There were changes from the bottom up on how we do things, and I think that's fucking awesome. Regardless of who or why, our offense shouldn't be held back by things this fucking stupid.

 

Did you ever answer whether or not Trgovac should be held responsible for Kris Jenkins' snap jumping besides trying to pretend that they aren't analogous when they obviously are? But for the record, no, I don't think Henning should have spent time working on the snap count. It wasn't a huge issue, and we had much bigger problems on offense. I like how you brought the subject up again, though. Still desperate to score points against me, I see.

 

i thought this article had some interesting thoughts and an interesting stat


Can a helmet prevent an early jump?





By Gordon Forbes
Special to NFL.com

(Nov. 2, 2006) -- There may be a solution to what Mike Pereira calls "probably the most boring penalty we have."

The foul is known as a false start. It could be as subtle as a twitch of the hand, or as evident as a sudden pre-snap lunge, usually by an offensive lineman. And don't think those smarties on the other side of the ball don't react like a sprinter reacts to a starter's pistol. Offensive twitch, defensive flinch ... now it's first-and-15.

"We've got to take a look at the false-start thing because there were 852 of them last year," says Pereira, the NFL's vice president of officiating. "It's the second-most penalty called, with (offensive) holding first at 880. It's boring because it causes the action to stop and no play ever gets run."


Is the nature of the game, with multiple shifts, the cause of penalties?
Last offseason, the competition committee spent long hours analyzing false starts. The coaches did their own analysis because false starts are often foolish momentum breakers. Are they caused by the noise in those rocking stadiums in Seattle, Kansas City and Philadelphia? Or is it the multiple shifts and motion of some offenses? Or maybe the different cadence when a backup quarterback is forced into the game?

The competition committee members aren't quite sure, only that false starts must be curbed. With the NFL in a high-tech era, the committee will consider -- and probably recommend -- the use of radio helmets by all offensive linemen. The blockers would get the snap count electronically. All the twitching and lunging would be minimized, cutting the number of false starts, which has totaled 798, 822 and 852 over the past three seasons.

"The last three years, the number has risen dramatically," says Atlanta general manager Rich McKay, co-chair of the competition committee. "It's not something we like that isn't positive for our game. We've looked at it a million different ways."

After six weeks this year, however, the number of false starts is 242, a drop of 49, or about 16 percent.

What McKay and his fellow members found was that the correlation between false starts and loud stadiums wasn't as obvious as they once thought. "Maybe it has to do with all the shifting and motion we've got today," said McKay.

Ernie Accorsi, the New York Giants general manager, offers another opinion on the issue of false starts. "Most of them are at the line of scrimmage and involve protection calls," says Accorsi.

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Last season, visiting teams were flagged for 24 false starts at Seattle's Qwest Field, a league high. The Giants false started 11 times in a heart-breaking overtime loss at Qwest. But some of the other stadiums with a tradition of crazy sounds didn't live up to their reputations. In Philadelphia, the Eagles were guilty of 25 false starts, seven more than the visitors. In Kansas City, another noisy venue, the Chiefs actually had more false starts (13) than the visitors (10).

And figure this one out. At Carolina's Bank of America Stadium, the Panthers were hit with only one false start in 964 snaps. It was almost as if they were already playing with electronic helmets.

"We've spent a lot of time trying to conclude why the number has risen," says Pereira. "A couple of ideas were passed on. Loosen the rule, where you forgive the slight twitch by an eligible receiver if it doesn't cause a reaction. And you could put speakers in people's helmets. But there was also a discussion of whether that could be used for coaching purposes. Another issue, does the system have a delay? If it does, that obviously would defeat the purpose of the system."

Any kind of twitch rule would involve some tough calls for the head linesman. Sensing that, McKay says he wouldn't be opposed to the use of radio helmets.

Neither would John Mara, the Giants president and a competition committee member. "It's not good for the game," says Mara. "It slows things down. It makes the game a little sloppy."

Mara says there wasn't enough support for the radio helmet last spring to suggest the project would have been approved if put to a vote. "But I don't think we've seen the last of that yet," said Mara.

Former referee Jim Tunney, however, says the game doesn't need any more technology. "I think instant replay is working very well, but let's not get too far into that," said Tunney. "Players forget the snap count. That's why they jump. Crowd noise doesn't bother an offensive lineman unless he forgets the count. I think it's all discipline."

Harvey Shuhart, whose Ivyland, Pa., company developed the quarterback helmet, estimates it would take six to eight months to produce a workable radio helmet for the offense. Defensive coordinators would scream at the project, sensing that there could be some electronic tricks played by their offensive counterparts.

So, what about radio helmets for the defense?

The idea was passed on to the owners last March and stirred considerable interest. "The reason it didn't pass, I believe, was that there was no backup," says Pereira. "I mean, if you did a coach-to-defensive player radio helmet, who would you pick? If you pick your middle linebacker, and he gets hurt on the first play, then you're out for the rest of the game."

Pereira said if you designated your strong safety as the backup, he couldn't be in the game at the same time as the middle backer. Pereira, however, thinks that some form of radio communication among defensive players will be approved in the next few years.

The competition committee will discuss the outbreak of false starts with coaches in February at the annual Combine session in Indianapolis. "Anything is possible," says Pereira. "All we know is that since 2001 (when there were 605 false starts), the number has been going up and up and up."

But not this year. "It's discipline," says Pereira. "They're more conscious of false starts."

 

Not desperate for "points", I just wanted you to answer the question. To me, a coordinator should solve problems with his offense. A coordinator should solve problems with his defense. If the players have an issue with it, then it should be obvious enough, and telling "Jake, you need to vary the snap count more" isn't rocket science.

 

dumb fuck if you had just half a brain you'd know that when someone suggests something that doesn't fall in line with your thinking it isn't an insult. it's just conversation. but then of course if you were raised on a pig farm you're going to act like a pig. if you bath in piss you're going to smell like piss. congrats for being the grand champion.

 

Heh. Yeah, that definitely seems like "just conversation." But again, my problem with what Wahle said and what you've babbled about is that the snap count nonsense is easily disproved by just watching any of the games and paying attention. Of course, you obviously don't actually pay attention to any Panthers games.

 

Dave Ball has looked nice. I thought he would be an ordinary LDE, but I saw him getting a good rush from the backside. Looks like a keeper, but we'll see if he can show it in the preseason.