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Beason - what would make him a guinea pig?

Discussion in 'Carolina Panthers' started by meatpile, Jul 30, 2007.

  1. meatpile

    meatpile 7-9

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    Maybe we want 6 years?

    Anybody know where to see contract specifics? All I found was this.
     
  2. Wp28

    Wp28 I had that dream again...

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    Just a guess, Panthers want to pay him a lower signing bonus + incentive bonuses for games started etc...

    Agent wants all the bonus up front.
     
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    marty: "chances are, being a miami 'grad', he'll end up in jail or injured all time, and we'ld like to give him an incentive laden contract."

    agent: " that's exactly why we want the money now."
     
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    He was on the Mac Attack on WFNZ today and he said the following.

    - NOT a money issue
    - NOT a contract length issue

    The problem is the structure of the contract. He said this repeatedly. Said there was some language in the contract that would make him unlike every other first round pick. Sounded really intelligent with a big passion for the game. He also said that he and his agent flew here to Charlotte last Thursday and he was present for the meetings and they couldn't get a deal done. He sounded frustrated and really wants to get into camp.

    Just my opinion but he doesn't said like your typical hold out.
     
  5. Collin

    Collin soap and water

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    I'm very curious to know what's so important that Hurney feels the need to dick around like this.
     
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    from the AP-
    Nine years ago, the Carolina Panthers
    took a stance against a new kind of N-F-L contract. That stance
    appears to be at the root of a holdout involving first-round pick
    Jon Beason.
    A court ruling this year made it risky for teams to offer
    so-called second-year "option bonuses." Agent Michael Huyghue
    (HEW'-jee) says Carolina refuses to offer one to Beason, and he
    says that's holding up the deal.
    Huyghue told The Associated Press that Carolina initially
    offered a contract with the option bonus, but snatched it off the
    table 24 hours later. He claims the team is negotiating in bad
    faith, since most of the other first-round picks who have signed
    received deals that include an option bonus.
    General manager Marty Hurney isn't answering questions about the
    impasse.
    Beason's holdout became more troublesome today when Na'il Diggs,
    who Beason was expected to replace at outside linebacker, was taken
    off the field with an apparent right hamstring injury.
     
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    Can somebody explain how these option bonuses work? Are they just part of of his salary but pushed to his 2nd year? What is the "option" the team is picking up?
     
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    Agent says Panthers bargaining in bad faith

    By MIKE CRANSTON
    AP Sports Writer

    SPARTANBURG, S.C. (AP) - Nine years after the Carolina Panthers took a stand against a new kind of NFL contract, the team is digging in again, and this time their protest could lead to a lengthy holdout for first-round pick Jon Beason.

    Following a court ruling earlier this year that made it risky for teams to offer so-called second-year “option bonuses,” the Panthers are refusing to offer one to Beason, said his agent, Michael Huyghue. He called it the main stumbling block between the club and Beason, who entered the third day of his holdout Monday.

    Huyghue told The Associated Press the Panthers initially offered a contract with the option bonus, only to yank it off the table 24 hours later. He claims the team is negotiating in bad faith, since most of the other first-round picks who have signed received deals that include an option bonus.

    General manager Marty Hurney, who said Friday the two sides were “miles apart,” declined Monday to answer questions about the impasse.

    “We have said all along that we don’t comment publicly on player negotiations,” Hurney said. “This puts out just one version of the story.”

    Beason’s holdout has left the Panthers thin at linebacker. Things got worse Monday morning when Na’il Diggs, who Beason was expected to replace at outside linebacker, was carted off the field with an apparent right hamstring injury.

    “I don’t want the negative media attention. I don’t want to be the focal point,” Beason, the 25th pick in the draft, told the AP in his first interview since starting his holdout. “Already having the pressure of being the first-round pick, not having the luxury of being out there, it’s hurting myself.”

    Hurney was in his first year with the Panthers as team’s salary cap specialist in 1998 when Jason Peter held out in a dispute over so-called “voidable years,” which allow players to cancel what’s left of their contract if they reach defined performance incentives. After a 44-day absence, Peter eventually gave into the Panthers’ demands and agreed to a contract without such a clause.

    Hurney is apparently willing to take similar measures to set a precedent with Beason.

    “They hope if they do this, they might be the only team that would never have to do option bonuses going down the road,” Huyghue said.

    The second-year option bonus has come to replace the traditional signing bonus in the NFL, since it’s a more salary-cap friendly way to pay rookies.

    The Panthers’ stalemate with Beason stems from a dispute between the Denver Broncos and receiver Ashley Lelie. The Broncos wanted Lelie to repay part of his option bonus after he held out of training camp last year. Lelie refused and an arbitrator ruled in favor of the player, who was eventually traded to Atlanta. The arbitrator’s decision was upheld in March by a federal appeals court.

    The arbitrator ruled that once a team pays the option bonus, the player doesn’t not have to return that money _ even if he holds out or walks away from the deal. It was a major blow to teams, who for years have been able to recoup a prorated portion of a player’s traditional signing bonus in such circumstances.

    “When I first started negotiating with the Panthers, Rob Rogers, their cap guy, offered to do the structure with an option bonus without giving a figure,” Huyghue said. “Then they went back and reflected on it and 24 hours later they wouldn’t do an option bonus, because they thought it created too much risk that would allow a player to walk out.”

    Huyghue said the Panthers have instead offered a bonus in the third year, but that would be at the club’s discretion and not guaranteed unless Beason meets certain performance incentives. Without a second-year option bonus, Huyghue said Beason’s second-year salary would be the smallest of any first-round pick in the league.

    Huyghue said the Panthers have insisted their stance against the option bonus is not a sign they fear Beason won’t honor his contract. Beason doesn’t have the kind of baggage that suggests he could become a problem for the Panthers, who have stressed character after a series of player arrests in the late 1990s.

    “They’re saying, ‘Jon, this isn’t about you,’” Huyghue said. “Well, it is about him because you expect him to sign this deal.”

    Huyghue said the option bonus is the only stumbling block. The teams are close on the total amount of guaranteed money, believed to be about $6.5 million.

    But the agent acknowledges the Panthers hold the power and if they don’t budge, Beason will either have to accept a deal without an option bonus or sit out the season.

    Meanwhile, Beason - a linebacker from Miami - continues to work out on his own in Jacksonville, Fla.

    “I just want to come in and compete. I just want a fair deal,” Beason said. “Obviously, the team can structure a deal however they want to, but I just want to sign a deal that’s the same (by) comparison to what everyone else got.”
     
  9. Piper

    Piper phishin member

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    So, we are basically pitching that we change that second year roster bonus to a third year incentive bonus. Taking all the risk away from us, and putting it on him.

    I would not sign that contract either. Beason should hold out. Things beyond his control could keep him from seeing that money. It's not a fair comprimise.
     
  10. Black&Blue

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    When did we decide to become so motherfucking cheap?
     

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