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"Miles apart" on Beason

Discussion in 'Carolina Panthers' started by Wp28, Jul 27, 2007.

  1. Piper

    Piper phishin member

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    The only thing I don't like is Hurney saying "I don't know if we will talk again." Not professional. He sounds like he got turned down for a date.
     
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    I'd have to say at this point it's the agent and Beason who are being unreasonable. His pay slot has been established. He was drafted where he was and 24 other teams passed on him. I'd start dropping the offer for every hour this drags on. Maybe then the light will come on. If not, we can always trade his draft rights to some one else for a replacement.
     
  3. Collin

    Collin soap and water

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    There isn't anything to suggest that Beason's agent is the one responsible, and there are multiple things to suggest that Hurney might be the problem. In addition to the comment Piper referenced, I don't like what the agent had to say about the Panthers wanting things that aren't part of an ordinary contract. Right now it definitely looks like Hurney is the one at fault, so don't be a homer and blame the agent when there doesn't seem to be a reason to. That guy is apparently experienced, and as you said, the slot is established so there's no way they'd be "miles apart" unless Hurney was asking for some dumb shit that Beason's agent shouldn't agree to.


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    Playing time incentives, maybe? It's possible we could be low-balling him and offer a lower than slot base and guarantees that might be stacked with substantial increases for downs played and games started. Hard to say. Another possibility could be that we're trying to squeeze an extra year or two onto the contract. It is strange, because you rarely see guys in the 20s have protracted holdouts. Hopefully Hurney will stop messing around and just give him a basic deal for slot money.
     
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    So the agent is to be believed over Hurney? What specifics does the agent mention? So far I've not been able to find any. I, or you for that matter, can say anything if we were in the agent's place to make it look like Hurney's fault. It's kind of hard to bag on Hurney without specific examples of what the agent deems to be the problem. From the looks of things, this is his first time negociating for a 1st rounder (unless he's been Brady's agent from the jump) so I'd be leaning toward him looking for a payday here.
     
  5. Collin

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    As Mongo posted, he's had an enormous amount of experience not only representing players, but teams as well. First I thought that maybe he was just some rube who wasn't going by the slot, but judging by his experience, that seems very unlikely.

    This:
    "I wouldn't want to characterize anything he said, but we're obviously not where we need to be," Huyghue said when apprised of Hurney's remarks. "The things we're at a standstill on are issues that are unique to any other deals that are done in the first round. There are just things they're asking for that are different than anything else out there."

    Huyghue didn't want to get into the specifics of the impasse, but later added in an e-mail: "They have created an obstacle that would make our player the guinea pig of the draft."


    certainly makes it look like Hurney is doing something odd, which is the only scenario that makes much sense for a Beason holdout. They know what the money should be, so it has to be something strange, and it looks like that's Hurney's doing. Obviously we don't know what specifically the agent is referring to, but it's unlikely that he just made that up randomly. And note that it's not a matter of believing the agent over Hurney because Hurney isn't saying that the agent is wrong.
     
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    Well it would be nice if we knew what it was. Maybe Hurney's just putting some obstacle out there so they'll feel good when he gives in on it, and he'll get the deal he wants (giving Hurney too much credit?)
     
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    Mongo Pawn in game of life

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    Beason changed agents after the June sessions. He started out with Martin Magid. I wonder if Magid made some agreements in early contract discussions that Huyghue doesn't want now.
     
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    This is the part of Huyghue's statement that interests me. Is Hurney trying to include something that is normally only done for later picks, but not first rounders? If so, what types of things are usually included in later picks that you don't see in the first round.
     
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    one of the few things the NBA does right is the set contracts for rookies.
     
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    Agreed, dont know why everyone is holding Hurney accountable for this situation. He hasnt asked for anything "crazy" in any other contracts, I would bet Beasons agent wants incentives in the deal for playing time, knowing that Morgan will probably go down at some point.
     

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