justin zwick

But will they let them wear blue jeans?

 

Man, this has been a hoot. I’ve gotten way more giggles out of this than I expected. I had planned to drop it a few posts back, but the responses were making me laugh so I ended up keeping it going a little longer.

I’m bored with it now though, so time to let the cat out of the bag (for those who haven’t already figured it out).

To clarify, my original post might not have expressed my buddy’s thoughts on Justin Zwick all that well. What he actually said was that Zwick’s stature and his natural passing ability (separate things ) might make him a better pro prospect than Troy Smith, but that because of the way things had played out in their college careers, he doubted Zwick had much chance in the pros. My take was that Smith might have been a lesser pro prospect before Jim Tressel got hold of him, but Tressel had transformed him into something better than he was before. Regardless, we both see the likely outcome being the same. Smith may or may not have a solid pro career, but he’ll at least get the chance. Zwick probably won’t get much of one, not without an extremely lucky break or two.

But hey, anything can happen, right?

So why all this discussion on a non-issue?

I showed my buddy the reaction Collin had to my initial post of his thoughts. After chiding me for not explaining him very well, he chuckled at Collin’s statements and asked me if he was always like that.

"Yeah," I said, "he’s essentially an online bully. He spends more time trying to intimidate people than he does actually talking football. He acts all big and bad, but his ego is so fragile that if anybody dares to disagree with him he’ll put a ridiculous amount of effort into trying to shout them down, twist what they said, discredit their knowledge…you name it."

He laughed. I continued.

"My guess is in real life he’s probably a wimpburger. Might be low man on the totem pole in his work or social circle. Don’t know, really. But for whatever reason, being the big man on an internet message board means so much to him that he’ll write ten thousand words on the tiniest little detail just to try and show that he’s boss. A few folks buy into it. Some make the effort to debate him. A lot just make fun or ignore him."

"Bottom line, he’s just one of those people who takes himself waaaay too seriously, and he ends up coming off like the stereotypical feminine guy trying to prove to everybody that he isn’t gay" (that became a running gag here).

"So…" my buddy said, "why don’t you f--- with his brain a little?"

Not really my style honestly, but it’s the offseason and I was bored, so what the heck

The response was pretty much what I expected. Classic bully; can’t cope with the idea that someone isn’t afraid of him; has to continually keep talking about how bad he is rather than letting others judge for themselves; blah blah blah. And so we end up with three pages and an inordinate amount of words written about a fifth string quarterback who might not even make it to training camp.

For that matter, I don’t even post here as often as most, so I can’t imagine I have much of a reputation here. Even so, it was still necessary to build me up as if everybody hated me and knew I was always wrong. I guess that sort of thing means something if being “the man” on a message board is important to you. Me, I come here for fun and discussion. I don’t give a rat’s ass about building my reputation. Don’t even get why it matters. I’m happy with just saying what I think and letting it stand or fall on it’s own merit. Sometimes I’m right. Sometimes I’m not. Either way, who gives a crap? It’s football talk, for cryin’ out loud.

My guess is that at least a few folks probably figured out what I was doing. I thought it was blatantly obvious at one or two spots. I figure Magnus caught on, and Headcase seemed to be egging it on so I expect he got the idea. Others may have too, but I never worried that Collin would. It was too important for him to “win”. I expect he’ll still keep trying even after this, though I don’t know what’s to be gained by winning a fake argument

In any case, I got a good laugh out of it all. Hope others did too, even if I’m not entirely sure why anyone would actually took the time to read all this.

(guess maybe you’re just as bored as I am)

 

Yes, you've said that several times now. It's quite obvious that you keep coming back to post in a rather futile attempt to make yourself look less like a complete loser, and instead you only come across as a pathetic whiner who is consoling himself for getting soundly thrashed by pretending that not using overt insults makes you a better person. No one is buying that, chief, so your best bet is to do what you've said you'd do about four times now, and just quit posting.

Because you have a sore vagina after getting fist fucked for displaying rampant stupidity. The opinion you presented was an absurd one, and when that absurdity was pointed out, you got

Waaah, waaah, waaah. Like I said, if you get your panties in a bunch every time someone insults you, TBR is not for you.

Incorrect. And moreover, because of your hurt feelings and your desperate need to see me as some kind of social leper instead of someone who is more than capable of judging you and exposing your ignorance, you have completely missed the fact that I don't insult people for random reasons. I insult people when they say something stupid, and you did. Ask around if you don't believe that other people perceive your comments to be as dumb as I'm suggesting them to be. I spend more time talking football than I do insulting people, and when I do insult people, it's because they're interfering with legitimate discussion.

If you had any idea how often bitter people such as yourself used to hide behind these empty accusations, you probably would have spared yourself the embarrassment of becoming the ten thousandth idiot to try them. No one is buying the idea that my ego is fragile. Instead the opposite is true, and my ego is so over-developed that I feel perfectly justified in judging other people and rebuking them for anything I deem to be unacceptable. Of course, others are free to dismiss my comments and ignore my judgment, but you didn't.

Says the guy who is hypocritically tossing indirect insults in the third person because he's too scared of open, direct confrontation.

Another popular delusion. I am not just "the big man on an internet message board." I'm the same way everywhere, and generally I am "the big man" in those environments too, precisely because I am competent enough to back up my ego and my willingness to assert my ideas.

You mean like a guy who keeps posting in an otherwise dead thread in a transparent attempt to salvage what is left of his crumbling ego?

Perhaps one of the reasons my knowledge so completely dwarfs your own (not just in football, but in most areas you could name) is that I do take things seriously. People who have been around know that I joke and carry on just like anyone else, but you're unfortunate enough to spend most of your time getting trashed because of your penchant for idiotic comments.

Yes, everyone got that too. Because you're not man enough to actually face up to me directly, and because you feel emasculated by someone much more confident and masculine than you are, you attempt to console yourself and tear me down in your eyes by accusing me of being gay. That's the typical reaction of someone who feels like much less of a man than the person he's fighting with, precisely because you're trying to convince yourself that you aren't inferior to me for whining and crying about being insulted on the internet.

I hate to break it to you, but you're not even close to the first person who got their ass handed to them by me and then pretended that the whole thing was a ruse. No one is buying that either. You got humiliated, and pretending that you intended to be humiliated isn't going to make things any better. Try as hard as you might, you won't be able to convince yourself that's what actually happened, much less anyone else. The fact is that you said some stupid things, you got flamed for it, and now you keep coming back to pout and cry and attempt to look less like the complete loser that you have thus far.

You are afraid of me. That's why you keep taking indirect potshots and making insinuations instead of just getting right in my face and defending your positions. You're trying to portray yourself as someone who stood up to me precisely because you're embarrassed about having completely cracked like a coward. You're trying to spin it in your mind so that you don't feel like such a loser.

We wouldn't have three pages of this if you hadn't insisted on defending what was obviously a stupid comment.

I didn't pretend that anyone hated you. In fact, I believe I specifically stated that you were irrelevant. It's true that people can see you were incredibly foolish and ignorant in this thread, but you'd be as quickly forgotten if you were content to let the thread die.

No, you don't come here for discussion at all. Discussion entails the examination and judgment of opinions. It involves analysis and the exchange of information. You showed your true colors by saying that you care more about how nice someone is to you than the content of their statements. You're not here to learn or discuss anything, you come by to socialize and now you're looking for a way to mollify your embarrassment about having been made to look like the fool that you are.

Uh huh. That's why you continue to post in a thread that would be dead without your persistent intervention. Now of all the ways to erase pages of stupid comments, I guess pretending that it was all a joke isn't a terrible way to go, but no one is buying it. You didn't just egg me on, you attempted to defend what were clearly idiotic statements and ended up just making yourself look worse. Then once you realize how hopeless it was, you decided to pretend it was all a set-up. But unfortunately, you are the joke, not the thread.

 

And for the record, it's worth pointing out that you can go back to the start of the thread and see how things unfolded. Mr. Scot said something stupid, which was purportedly from a friend. I corrected him rather mildly by my standards, and then he got himself in trouble by attempting to defend that stupid statement with things that were not factually inaccurate. I corrected him again with statistics and other facts, and still wasn't overly rude, but then Mr. Scot gets histrionic at the start of page 2 and we're off.

So again, Mr. Scot said something dumb and he would have gotten away without any serious damage if he had been smart enough to let it go. Instead he came off as the fool he is, and got a much more thorough beating for it.

 

y'all need to set your posts per page to 40 if you're going to read this bullshit

 

Is it really worth the effort?

My apologies, Mags. I don't normally do this sort of thing, but I couldn't resist.

 

Says the guy who keeps resurrecting the thread.

You don't normally make a fool of yourself or you don't normally make a fool of yourself and then pretend the whole thing was a hoax when you're thoroughly embarrassed yourself?

 

40/page? sure.

 

Maybe this discription fits somewhere in this thread.

The grandiose fantasies of the narcissist inevitably and invariably clash with his drab, routine, and mundane reality. We call this constant dissonance the "grandiosity gap". The narcissist knows that his grandiose fantasies are incommensurate with his accomplishments, knowledge, status, actual wealth (or lack thereof), physical constitution, or sex appeal - yet, he keeps behaving as though this were untrue.

The situation is further exacerbated by periods of relative success in the narcissist's past. Has-been and also-ran narcissists suffer from a "grandiosity hangover". They may have once been brilliant - but they no longer are. Still, they continue to behave as though little has changed.

The balding, potbellied, narcissist still courts women aggressively. The (fantasy football) author still demands professional deference and expects attention by media and superiors.

The grandiosity hangover and the grandiosity gap are the two major vulnerabilities of the narcissist. By exploiting them, the narcissist can be effortlessly manipulated. This is especially true when the narcissist is confronted with authority, finds himself in an inferior position, or when his narcissistic supply is deficient or uncertain.

"Here are a few of the things the narcissist finds devastating:

Any statement or fact, which seems to contradict his inflated perception of his grandiose self. Any criticism, disagreement, exposure of fake achievements, belittling of "talents and skills" which the narcissist fantasizes that he possesses, any hint that he is subordinated, subjugated, controlled, owned or dependent upon a third party. Any description of the narcissist as average and common, indistinguishable from many others. Any hint that the narcissist is weak, needy, dependent, deficient, slow, not intelligent, naive, gullible, susceptible, not in the know, manipulated, a victim.