justin zwick

We agree on most, it's just that the disagreements have a tendency to go nuclear. (or, according to Bush, nukuler)

 

what's funny is I have an uncle, and know at least seven other of the employees of PEC, who work at the Shearin Harris plant, and all of them will tell you they work at the 'nookular plant'. And they are all very well educated.

 

Shearon Harris is a weird place. They won't let the employees where blue jeans. Black jeans are fine but not blue. Oh and no t-shirts. Tell that to a laborer

 

Well, that was predictable

Again, my friend doesn’t believe that height equals skill. That’s your spin, so you’re only responding to yourself again, and with more of the same tired, predictable drumbeat:

“I’m smarter than you. It’s obvious. Everybody knows it. I’ve proven it over and over. You’re always wrong. I write for a national publication. I’ve got a college degree. Your life sucks, but mine is the greatest in the world. And it’s because I’m smarter than you. I really am!”

Seriously, this stuff reminds me of the stereotypical feminine guy who’s desperate to convince everybody that he’s straight:

“I’m not gay. It’s obvious. Everybody knows it. I’ve proven it over and over. You’re just homophobic. I have sex with women all the time. I’ve got three girlfriends right now. You can’t get women like I can, and I know way more about football than you ever will. See? I’m not gay. I’m really not!”

Yeah, sure. After about the fiftieth time, you get to the point of just telling him, “Look, if this were as true and obvious as you claim it is, you wouldn’t need to keep saying it, would you?”

Bottom line: A person who’s truly as intelligent and confident as you claim to be would be able to debate without resorting to the kind of personal tactics you use. You don’t seem to be capable of that. Show me you can actually debate without puffing yourself up, demeaning other people’s opinions or resorting to phrases like “it’s obvious”, “everybody knows it”, you’re always wrong and nobody listens to you”, etc. When you can do that, then I’ll be interested.

(but I won't exactly holding my breath expecting it)

 

My prediction for possible responses to the prior post:

“I don’t have to argue like you say I do. I can do what I want.”
“The reason I have to keep telling people how smart I am is because everybody else is so stupid.”
“I’m much more respected here than you are. Everyone knows how smart I am. Nobody cares what you think.”
“Sounds like you’re the one with the problem. Not me. I’m great!”
“It’s not bragging if you can back it up.”
“I’m bigger than you, and I get lots of hot women.”
“You’re so stupid and obviously wrong that it’s not even worth responding to.”

See, the thing is, none of those argument really flies. They’re just the same tired stuff you usually use (which would actually serve to prove my point).

Of course, there’s also the “f--- you” option, or maybe you’ll just be embarrassed and ask the mods to delete the post. But hey, here’s your chance to dazzle me. Respond without resorting to any of the above. I’ll await your reply.

(okay not really, I’ve got other things to do)

 

Yes, he does. A lot of people make that same mistake with QB prospects. They look at a guy's physical characteristics and become obsessed with that instead of their actual performance on the field. But on the field, Zwick was far from a natural passer, and only an idiot would say that he's a better pro prospect than Smith.

The bottom line is that you've obviously never been around intelligent people. Some are patient and humble, certainly, but most get tired of people who question their judgment without legitimate reasons to do so. You already admitted that you accept or reject opinions based on how nice the person is to you, so you really don't have any further credibility.

Dude, no one cares when you'll be interested. You as a person are irrelevant, just as I am. No one would care about who I am or what I say unless I had proven time and time and time again that my opinions are insightful and accurate. Now as others have said before, if you whine and cry every time someone is mean to you, then TBR isn't your kind of place. Heck, 90% of the internet isn't your kind of place. So either toughen up and grow a pair, or go discuss football at your grandma's house.

 

We agree that Smith is the better player. And certainly, whether talent is better or not, the addition of Smith's playing time makes him a better prospect as well. Every year there's a QB that Collin champions, and that I generally don't share that feeling often. Usually, I value that player less and that player tends to rise up draft boards; Smith had the opposite reaction to guys like Clemons and Campbell. Still, while I had Smith lower than most as a 4th-5th, he kept sliding and I feel he's better than that. I don't know that he'll be a starter, and that's as much opportunity and stability as anything IMO.

But it's hard to find Zwick as better than Smith, I'd feel better about Zwick if he'd transferred out (same with Matt Cassell, who sat the bench his whole career and made the Pats roster, who's a more talented player) and actually played at any level.

And Collin has a vested interest in theory, but he's correct.

 

More of the same. I guess it's easier to argue with people if you redefine what they said rather than responding to their actual thoughts.

I don't accept or reject opinions based on how nice the person is, but I know (as most others do) that people who have real confidence don't need to resort to personal attacks. They can let their opinion speak for itself. You don't seem to have that capacity. Your responses still sound like the guy trying to convince people he's not gay. If it were all so obvious as you claim, you wouldn't need to keep saying it over and over again.

To clarify, I accept or reject opinion based on whether the person has proven knowledgable or not. And that's based on how smart you can show you are, not how smart you say you are. And pissing contests bore me to tears, which is why your threads get boring so quickly.

To sum it up, I accept the opinions of people I respect, and my respect isn't easily earned. My friend qualifies. Some folks here qualify. Sorry, not you.

FYI: When someone pegs what you're going to do, and then you respond in just the manner they expected, you lose (thank you for playing)

 

Oh really?

See, people who are actually interested in learning something or discussing a subject will judge the merits of an argument by the information it contains and how it is presented. You, on the other hand, have repeatedly stated that you judge arguments based on whether or not the speaker uses insults. As I said earlier, that partially explains why you're so frequently wrong.

That's totally incorrect, and moreover, you certainly know that. Magnus uses personal attacks as well, as do many human beings. In fact, the people least likely to use insults and personal attacks are those who lack confidence, because they are scared of confrontation. Meanwhile it's not as if I just insult you or your friend for the fun of it. When I insult people it's because they've gotten on my nerves because of their stubbornness, stupidity, or belligerence.

Sure, because high school students all learn geometry the first time you explain it to them, right? And like it or not, that's what these discussions feel like to me. I have to explain to you repeatedly why you're wrong because you either don't get it the first three hundred times or because you just don't want to acknowledge the truth. It's frustrating, hence the insults.

That's total bullshit. Complain about my attitude all you want, but you can't reasonably pretend that I haven't proven myself knowledgeable. People laugh at you when you say stuff like that, even the ones who share your opinion about my demeanor.

And by this you mean those who are nice to you, which is what I said earlier. When you say that you reject opinions if they include personal insults, you're admitting that you don't care about the message or any knowledge it contains. You're acknowledging that your primary concern is with how they treat you.

FYI: The "I predict you'll just insult me again" tactic is the staple of sixth grade reasoning and has been used more often than you would expect by many similarly handicapped individuals. Its intended effect is for me to respond without insults in order to defy your prediction and allow you to gloat both about the fact that you supposedly controlled my actions and because you wanted to say "See, you can post without being insulting," but unfortunately for you, I do not care. You are an irrelevant internet persona without the knowledge to contribute in any significant form, and you console yourself about that reality by pretending that posting "nicely" makes you superior. It's the standard delusion adopted by people who simply don't want to accept that they have little intellectually to offer.

And to sum up, that's who matters to me. I recognize that it's nicer to be around people who have pleasing personalities, but in terms of discussion, I don't care if you're Mother Theresa or not. I care about whether or not you have a valid point to make, because if you do then I can learn from it. If you don't, you're completely irrelevant. Well, unless you're a hot chick. Guys will put up with an amazing amount of stupidity from a hot piece of ass. And pretending to be one on the internet doesn't count, if you were thinking about trying to go that route.

 

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