Keyshawn dropped

So 30 QBs every year suck? Only the two that get to the promised land are worth having?

I know that there are better QBs in the NFL than Jake Delhomme. But I also know that there are many teams that are worse off. This team invested heavy in defense and the running game (big contract to Foster, 2nd round pick in Shelton, 1st round pick in Williams). The defense is solid if not spectacular, but the investment in the running game has yet to pay off. Jake is a "manage the game" style QB. He will need running game (a la 2003) to be successful.

If we get to 4+ yards per carry and the consistent ability to smash it into the endzone from inside the 5, this team will be able to play deep into January... and that's WITH Jake at the helm.

 

2003 obviously was his worst year. Saying he took us to the Super Bowl, sure, he did that. Other than the playoffs, he really wasn't that good that year. A Pro Bowl followed that, so it seems you're mixing team performance and personal performance in a way that's incredibly self-serving. Trust me, I got it the first time, it just didn't work.

 

You guys gotta be shittin' me. This thread should have died a merciful death two weeks ago. Give it up...the muthafucka ain't comin' back.

 

So...let me get this straight....IF we don't have to rely on Jake to throw the ball....we're a contender?? Hmmmmmm....and Jake is not a running quarterback....so he doesn't throw particularly well...and doesn't run hardly at all....so mechanically he's not a good quarterback. Ding...ding...we have a winner!!

 

You should read your own quote....it rekks of the very thing you're accusing me of.....

"He wasn't that good, but HE took us to a Superbowl.....Stephen Davis had NOTHING to do with that? Or Moose?? Any others?? A Superbowl is a team accomplishment.

Look I know we'll never agree, but my belief is that Jake is a decent leader, but he doesn't have the skills to carry the team when it falls on him. So I'd use this analogy: Jake's like a NASCAR driver who can win races when the car is set up well, but he's an "also ran" when the car isn't so great, and he has to drive it to victory lane anyway. Derrick Cope can when the Daytona 500 witha great car, team and some decent breaks.......Earnhardt won a shitload of races in a car that "runs like my daddy's 57 coupe".

 

Allllllll-righty then. Which Superbowl QBs got there without help from the rest of the team?

 

EXACTLY....Jake never TOOK us to the Super Bowl, the whole team did, the car was set-up just right and humming on all 8 cylinders. Last year the car wasn't set up right and needed the "driver" to step up and drive it.....he couldn't.

 

No. I'm clearly defining the difference between personal stats/accomplishment and team stats. I'm also able to note that one of Delhomme's best years, we finished one game short of his worst year, and that he had exemplary playoff stats. I'm not trying to make really, really poor analogies with cars and other nonsense. I know I don't hate Jake Delhomme or love him. I'm not trying to make this personal. I'm willing to stand on his play and know he's not the best, but he's certainly a lot better than you're saying, for whatever reason.

and seriously, go back and read UNCDubya's performance in this thread and see whether it's worth looking like an idiot to attempt furthering this awful agenda.

 

Rely? Yup. I agree 100%. No team should have to RELY on the QB to get them to the superbowl. Very few can carry the team on their shoulders. Manning. Brady. Early Vick occasionally (he seemed to always do a number on us!!!). That's pretty short list. So shall we jettison Jake and go to the Peyton Manning tree and harvest one? We have a guy, that with a solid supporting cast, has PROVEN he can get the job done. Those guys don't grow on trees either.

Don't really WANT a "running QB. It's not like Vick and Randall Cunningham have more Super Bowl rings than fingers. they have exactly zero between them.

Mechanically, Jake is good enough. Decent arm. Relatively good accuracy (60%). He has bad habits. So do most others. If you put him in a tough situation, he might win you the game... he might throw the game away. It's a crap shoot. Our best bet is to keep him out of that situation, which I think you can say about most QBs.

 

He wasn't that good during the regular season. He was quite special when it counted... in the playoffs.

And of course Stephen Davis played a role. My contention is that if we get another RB performance like that, we could do some damage next year, because our QB has already displayed the ability to play well in the postseason.

Spoken as if this trait is unimportant. As a QB and team captain, it's huge. The next guy (Carr?) might not even possess this trait in spades like Jake does.

Proof you are looking for that "Earnhardt" of NFL quaterbacks. Dude, I'd love to have a (circle one) Manning/Brady/Montana/Marino/Elway on my team too! Problem is, they are incredibly rare, and when you do find one, they cost a shitload of money. With the coin and premium our team puts on defense, I doubt we'd ever get a QB like that unless we "hit the powerball" in the NFL draft.